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  1. Tom Kagan is offline
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    This is why ChiSao sucks.

    A friend of mine who is a JKD practitioner, Sean "Big Sean" Madigan, while in one of his more ornery moods, once said to me that a lot of the JKD world is about taking ideas, concepts, and drills from other styles, then proceeding to **** it up beyond all recognition.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjhQ-0-uuFw


    The above video says nothing whatsoever as to the two persons' martial abilities and whether they can express such martial skill and actually fight. However, there is so much wrong with the above video as an expression of ChiSao I can't get over the WTF factor to dissect it. If they think they are doing ChiSao, I say THEY CLEARLY ARE NOT. If this is their ChiSao, their use of the drill is an empty shell of a training method.
    Last edited by Tom Kagan; 8/29/2007 12:08pm at .
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Posted On:
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    Are these two guys from a JKD school? It's interesting you bring that up because the whole MO of the Bruce Lee Foundation recently started up by Linda and Shannon Lee is to try to combat the idea that JKD just means throwing every style in a blender and hoping for the best. There's a pretty interesting book on the subject called "The Straight Lead" written by Teri Tom of the foundation. What was most enlightening about it is that Lee, who is so closely associated with Chinese kung fu in most people's minds, got much of his inspiration from western boxing and fencing. But I digress...

    Tom would you mind posting a video of what you believe to be effective chi siao? I don't mean that as a challenge, but rather I'm just getting my feet wet with Wing Chun and cannot yet tell the difference between the good and the bad. Would you consider "good" chi siao to be simply a matter of sparring? Or is there a better way of "drilling" the technique that is displayed here?
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    Posted On:
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     Style: punching bag / crew jitsu

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    Well, as a contrast, other Chi Sao I've seen was what can only bee described as a dynamic, flowing hand dance.

    This just looks fucking weird.

    But I know nothing about teh chun so who am I to judge?
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    Posted On:
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    Calling that crap is an insult to crap. What's with the larger guy's shaking hands?
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    ...there is so much wrong with the above video as an expression of ChiSao I can't get over the WTF factor to dissect it. If they think they are doing ChiSao, I say THEY CLEARLY ARE NOT. If this is their ChiSao, their use of the drill is an empty shell of a training method.
    Thank you, Tom.

    For ruining my evening.

    Where's the nearest social service to help that abused kid?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenBeakFist
    ...I'm just getting my feet wet with Wing Chun and cannot yet tell the difference between the good and the bad. Would you consider "good" chi siao to be simply a matter of sparring? Or is there a better way of "drilling" the technique that is displayed here?
    The thing in the video is to chi sau as sitting in your bathtub is compared to olympic swimming. Both have you and the water. Period.

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonuzaba
    The thing in the video is to chi sau as sitting in your bathtub is compared to olympic swimming. Both have you and the water. Period.
    Wow, Tonuzaba, that was deep.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    The above video says nothing whatsoever as to the two persons' martial abilities and whether they can express such martial skill and actually fight.
    If pretending to beat up a ten year old is a serious part of your training regime, I'd say it's safe to make some assumptions.

    On the plus side, it looks like the guy on the left is Eric Freeman, and that can only mean one thing...
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    Posted On:
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     Style: ti da shuai na

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    Why slap when you can punch? That is something I don't understand. So much energy is wasted playing patty cakes.
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    Tom, that was criminally bad. Poor form, poor power generation. I've also never seen the shaking hands thing, must be the release of too much power.
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