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  1. Gezere is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Das Moose
    It's a stack pass done with one arm in and one out. It does actually work but only if you've got real good posture and are very careful with the arm in and keep the hips controlled... like Yrkoon9 said too much risk, and I really don't understand why it's being taught as a number one pass when they could just as easily do a double under pass.
    Why is it taught? Are you forgetting who taught the Army?
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    Uh, I don't actually know who taught the army.
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    Rorion and Royce
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    Ah. Yeah I'm not overly familiar with it but I've heard quite a few stories about what Rorion in particular teaches.

    You should campaign asia. Noobs should not be taught an arm in pass.
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    For the most part I wouldn't even classify them as noobs. Most of them will never grapple again and aren't interested in doing so. My unit never did combatives until the last month before leaving for Iraq, and my first sergeant and platoon sergeant only wanted me to teach "Teh dE@dly" to the other soldiers.
    The soldiers who like doing combatives usually wind up doing BJJ or Judo in there off time.
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    It's only a problem if we go to war with Brazil.

    And even though it is not the best pass, in level two you learn the triangle. Then everyone is getting tapped with it. The pass also contains the counter. So you show that. Then you show them basic passing

    The pass is only a learning tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blindfury
    The pass is only a learning tool.
    Yes, and the question that follows is, should it be? Yes, it teaches more than one fundamental technique critical to a number of guard passes, but do the benefits gained outweigh the inherent weakness of the GG pass?

    If most U.S. soldiers never progress past level 1 combatives, then the answer is most definitely no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp
    Yes, and the question that follows is, should it be? Yes, it teaches more than one fundamental technique critical a number of guard passes, but do the benefits gained outweigh the inherent weakness of the GG pass?

    If most U.S. soldiers never progress past level 1 combatives, then the answer is most definitely no.
    Exactly. Out of the guard passes they COULD teach, the GG is not only the most risky, but it's also somewhat hard to pull off even IF your opponent isn't trying to choke you out. As long as they're teaching basics, why not just show them the push-and-staple? I think that's the most simple guard pass in submission grappling. Besides, almost every other guard pass uses the basic staple mechanic.
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    I just watched a little bit of that video (for some reason it wasnt working last night) and it pretty much confirmed what I thought - people who don't grapple at a decent level anyway are not going to execute the pass with the posture and tightness necessary to avoid the triangle. The soldier demonstrating it in the video basically triangled himself.
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    Right, but how many people on the battlefield are going to know the triangle?

    Besides, the Army likes things to be standardized. I would prefer the stack pass. But they chose this one.

    Thanks Rorion!
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