I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
Originally Posted by Virus
Originally Posted by Virus
How to tie a gi?
OMG I have found my support group at last!
Originally Posted by cyrijl
I practiced Aikido for about 10 weeks. Yes you guessed it, one quarter at a local junior college. I was talked into it by a friend who was taking courses there at the time, in addition to Aikido.
Actually, I don't think I made it all the way through the quarter. Lots of attitude and superiority complexes. I stopped going some time shortly after one of the "advanced" students told me I "have no ki," while I was trying to learn some new technique (which I have now safely erased from memory). That was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I was emotionally scarred by that class, and now I have found kindred spirits here on Bullshido (ok I'm exaggerating, but suffice it to say that I have no regrets for leaving).
Actually, my friend still does Aikido (at a different dojo) and says he loves it. I think it's great for some people, just not for me.
uuuh. In 20 years of Aikido you never learned to choke or strangle, or put on armlocks, even the dreaded 'armbar'?
Originally Posted by Rock Ape
I know Aikido sucks against some grappling arts once on the ground, but this is not due to a lack of locks, chokes etc. I put much of the weakness down to there being little or no practice on the ground involving the legs, either in gaining position or in applying a technique such as a triangle choke, or even getting into position to apply an armbar.
The actual 'struggle' element of grappling, IMHO, would also leave many Aikidoka shocked, as the nearest many get is suwari-waza defences against a very limited range of attacks. There's no reason these should not be resisted strongly, but I have rarely seen any struggle.
None of the above is surprising as all MA's have weaknesses - a sure argument for cross training to fill in the gaps. I'm certainly not the best person to comment, as I have rusty skills from Judo.
(Don't know how these things are worded in BJJ but I was always told a choke cut off the air supply and a strangle cut off the circulation. Googling around these terms now seem to be used pretty loosely.)
I would still defend yonkajo as it does not rely on wrist manipulation - it is a nerve attack and a good painful one at that, and will work on radius, ulna, shin etc. I am not arguing that you will always have the opportunity, as that is down to relative skills etc.
Note: if you go to an Aikido class and they start talking about your 'ki', have no challenging striking or weapons work - walk!
Last edited by kiaiki; 10/24/2007 8:36am at .
sounds like you still have the aikido spirit...or you're high.:love4:
Originally Posted by Bahuyuddha
That's interesting, as my understanding of Ueshiba was that he *only* took students that had generally trained in another martial art, which was generally Judo.
Originally Posted by kiaiki
Originally Posted by golsa
That's not what he told me. :icon_scra
Don't know if it was ALL. However, the fact that neither striking nor groundwork appear very strongly as elements of Aikido does point to the assumption that the students already knew them and could test the Aikido they learned pretty rigorously.
Originally Posted by golsa
Lots of people focus on the pics of O Sensei as an old man in his 'mini Gandalf wizard' era and conclude that's the 'real Aikido'. However, early pics show a powerful physique more than capable of kicking ass IMHO.
A major weakness of modern day Aikido clubs is that it they attempt to teach defences against atemi (strikes) chokes etc. but do not teach effective attacks. Hence a downward spiral ending up with what I call the 'twirly whirly' ineffective responses to ineffective attacks.
Having made the point that Aikido seems only to understand legs as things to balance on, having no use for them in groundwork etc., it is also true IMHO to say that attacking kicks and defences against them are also pretty ineffectual. (For example, the defence focuses entirely on the crappy kick and forgets that the guy has arms and fists as well. )
How uncommon is ground work in aikido?
We do a little - before discovering bullshido and having no previous knowlege of mma - if I had seen a triangle choke or someone pull guard- I would have called that aikido?!. The first time I came across these sort of things was in the dojo I go to. Oh, and in case you asked the ground work consists of drills (at my level). I train in aikikai (a Chiba sensei led branch)
Do other styles do alot?
Honestly, I don't know how common it is because Shodokan is all I've trained in and my current club is my only Aikido experience. We don't do a whole lot because of the sport emphasis, but we touch on it because it makes sense to for self defense purposes. Guess it helps that our sensei holds 3rd dan in Judo. I'm sure it was more common in the past because the majority of last generation's Aikido big names held at least shodan in Judo.
Originally Posted by catch22
Club members themselves may be the best source for helping others learn strikes & ground work because the majority of martial artists have at least some experience in other arts. We mess around with other stuff quite a lot because other members have experience in TKD, Judo, wrestling, Karate, we have a former marine with MCMAPS training, and my background is from mixed martial art schools for lack of a better term.
Otherwise, ground work should be at least somewhat intuative to people with some type of grappling background. The human body works the same no matter what method of grappling you were taught and really the only difference is what their rules allowed. The principles of say shomenate work fine for escaping a standing headlock, providing you take the time to practice such things. Others include executing udegaeshi (which could have been an oshitaoshi armbar depending on how much trouble uke gave you) and finishing it with a knee compression to the torso & torq on the arm (resulting in pretty much an americana from your knees instead of side mount) instead of pinning the arm & an atemi to the face. The bare bone basics of ground fighting certainly are in Aikido, its just a matter of playing with variations instead of doing kata all day.
Last edited by golsa; 10/24/2007 9:44am at .
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