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  1. PointyShinyBurn is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus
    wrist-fucked
    My point exactly. Whatever Ueshiba's feelings about the universe, the basic techniques of Aikido, assuming you can actually catch them on a resisting opponent and so on, are designed to seriously **** people up at the wrist and shoulder. Stuff that puts people down without needing a trip to the operating theatre, like chokes and stable control positions, are pretty much neglected...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sochin101
    Pitching them? So, you'd be projecting an untrained opponent (ie one who doesn't know how to fall/breakfall)? That's liable to ruin their day. And smash their stupid heads in. On the concrete. Or lava.
    LOL for assuming aikido works in the first place!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebell
    hey pointy, do you train at the gracie barra school by any chance?
    you know vitor estima?
    Nah, I'm a Brasa boy:
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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus
    Actually .. that was an excellent retort so, I have another question, whilst you have adopted this particular ideology toward your training (one which I have no major issues with at the moment) Do you train to have the ability to severly injure your opponent if the circumstances required it ?
    Hmmm. If you break down the techniques I think the potential is there.

    For example: A shihonage can throw a person with realitive safety, but if you bring the arm out to a 90 degree angle it turns into a dislocation of the elbow, and, perhaps, the shoulder with very little pressure. Sankyo can be a pain control to direct someone's movement, or it can break the wrist/forearm, elbow, and seperate the shoulder. Iriminage can throw a person by controlling the head, but if that control of the head is achieved it could be used to drive the head into the ground. Let's face it, I don't care what you bounce the head off of... with enough force it scrambles marbles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebell
    LOL for assuming aikido works in the first place!
    dude, being Virus' gimmick account must be getting to you.
    He does it funnier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebell
    LOL for assuming aikido works in the first place!
    Ahh, lets make an important clarification, aikido works, its the application by fucking hippies which cause failure.

    Aikido by it's own definition (just understand what AI - KI - DO actually means) isn't supposed to be an 'in-your-face' method however with the right attitude of the student, many of the techniques can be very useful in the right sets of circumstances
    "To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    Every BJJ blue belt I know would be profoundly fucking embarrassed if they couldn't control an untrained guy without hurting him.

    I'd like to suggest that, if you don't want to cause injury, a gentle double leg->side control is actually a better option than ballistic joint locks.
    Which is something I spoke about in an earlier post. I've been exploring responses to judo and bjj ground actions with folks at the dojo with those experiences. The responses that I'm learning from these guys are judo and bjj responses. I am focusing on responses that give me enough control to get back up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sochin101
    dude, being Virus' gimmick account must be getting to you.
    He does it funnier.
    I dont need to be funny when it comes to aikido, you guiz do it for me...

    Quote Originally Posted by im spartacus
    Agreed, kinda like me kneeing Staz in the bollocks the other night ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus
    Ahh, lets make an important clarification, aikido works, its the application by fucking hippies which cause failure.

    Aikido by it's own definition (just understand what AI - KI - DO actually means) isn't supposed to be an 'in-your-face' method however with the right attitude of the student, many of the techniques can be very useful in the right sets of circumstances
    when you're ever in holland let me know, im interested to see teh real aikido!
    ( no matter what you say im not wearing the skirt)
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    You can really judge a martial art by its most simple techniques.

    the basic step and throws techniques I learned as a white belt.

    Slipping or parrying a punch , coming across and over their throat and head and throwing them down.

    Is still the easiest and most realistically effective aikido technique I learned.

    One in which you can actually (to a degree) spar with.

    Shihonage and the other stuff are specialty moves that aren't very adaptive and only work under the right circumstance.
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