"Master Jules" CQB Bullshido in New York?

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 8/17/2007 12:46pm

I decided to do a search for CQB tactics and companies that offer it, and the funny thing is that there is NO WAY he created CQB as he states, at least not the name...LOL. There are so many results for CQB and several actual companies offering services that are founded by actual retired service men, that this guy looks just like a wanna be....who hangs onto his volunteer detective title and his work WITH (not for) the secret sevrice (which I find suspect anyway).

Once, I was a "security" guy at a high profile function here in NYC with governor Cuomo (see how old I am) and some UN folks. Basically, the real security service folks did their job, and I along with the extras they hired stood far away from the action watch the wind blow.
I would bet his experience was something like this....

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/17/2007 12:47pm

Originally Posted by Lumberjack

lol, well noticed folks. Honestly, after reading this guy's myspace I was shocked at how much of a clown this guy is. He even has close up pics of his bruised knuckles, along with claims of 2000 street fights and medlas for bravery rescuing young girls from peril.

This is a prime example of Bullshido. What pisses me off is that people like him are viewed as role models by people who are new to MA or who don't think to check his claims. The guys looks pretty big, so maybe he got through his life talking this bullshit by merely intimidating people?

Hi lumberjack. Lurk a little more. You are reposting things already brought up and calling bullshido before anybody has investigated. If you'd like to help, start tracking down his connections and trying to find his teacher(s).

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/17/2007 12:48pm

Originally Posted by sambosteve

I decided to do a search for CQB tactics and companies that offer it, and the funny thing is that there is NO WAY he created CQB as he states, at least not the name...LOL. There are so many results for CQB and several actual companies offering services that are founded by actual retired service men, that this guy looks just like a wanna be....who hangs onto his volunteer detective title and his work WITH (not for) the secret sevrice (which I find suspect anyway).

Once, I was a "security" guy at a high profile function here in NYC with governor Cuomo (see how old I am) and some UN folks. Basically, the real security service folks did their job, and I along with the extras they hired stood far away from the action watch the wind blow.
I would bet his experience was something like this....

Yes, that's what happened to me. The results for CQB were ridiculous so I'm trying another avenue.

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 8/17/2007 12:53pm

OK, I found his real name on some Karate Forum (posted june 2004):

Master Julian Hoenig

5th Dan, Renshi, Okinawan GoJu Ryu
5th Dan, Co-Founder CQB Tactics (Close Quarter Battle)
3rd Dan Katsugo Ryu AikiJuJitsu
2nd Dan USA/Urban GoJu Ryu
1st Dan Close Combat JuJitsu
Police Tactics/Hand to Hand Combat Master Instructor
Member--United Martial Artists Association Black Belt Hall of Fame 1998
Member--Action Martial Arts Magazine Black Belt Hall of Fame 2004

Funny thing is that in this post, he claims to be "co-founder" of CQB, not the sole founder as he did in other posts.

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 8/17/2007 12:56pm

So, we know know his teacher's name was Alexander Kirk and his name is Julius Hoenig. That should help us figure him out a bit.

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 8/17/2007 1:40pm

From his myspace page:

Ive been in the martial arts most of my life, and have earned the rank of 5th Degree Black Belt in four systems,

Except he only lists 2 - Guju and CQB. He also said he was just awarded 6th dan in Goju, but his teacher is unfortunately deceased. So, who awarded him the 6th dan?

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 8/17/2007 2:03pm

Regarding the "Action Martial Arts HOF"...

To get on this hall of fame, you nominate yourself, explain your contributions to martial arts, and promise to sell X number of tickets to the banquet. If is not a measure of skill at all. It is about how much $$$ you can get the banquet. Here is the application for 2004 (which Jules says was the year he was awarded):
http://amam.cfw2.com/page.asp?content_id=1504

On a side note, I have not been able to locate Master Julius Hoenig on Googel on any on the Action MA Hall of fame sites. I have also not been able to locate a listing of past AMA HOF inductees either. So, I wrote to Action Martial Arts to confirm his claim as a 2004 inductee into their hall of fame.

Regarding his induction into the "United Martial Arts Association HOF". I can't find such a thing (so far). I did find a few schools and smallorgs by that name, but no HOF. I also found the "United States Martial Arts Association HOF" inductee list and Hoenig is not on there:
http://www.rankinmartialarts.com/Hal...me%20Index.htm

I can't find anything about Alexander Kirk - except on Jules' website.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/17/2007 2:09pm

He claims Akiki something somwhere on his page or another forum I'll see if I can find it.

**Snake Plissken** · Posted On: 8/17/2007 3:02pm

This, I suppose is *similar* to the Action Martial Arts Magazine Hall of Fame:
http://www.streetsmart.50megs.com/catalog.html
this shows the Action Martial Arts Magazine Hall of Fame Event Gallery.

Clicking on the side link:
http://www.streetsmart.50megs.com/photo6.html
shows Dr. Jim Thomas
http://www.usnmat.net/page7.html
from the USA Martial Arts Hall of Fame
also referneced in another investigation of Tiger Klay
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...postcount=3482
and had it's own thread devoted to it
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...omas+Hall+Fame

**Gezere** · Posted On: 8/17/2007 3:02pm

I haven't read much but I two things immediately hit the BS meter.

1) Working with the secret service. This is not something that just happens. You have to be employed by the government (military, NSA, Treasury, etc) and even then its a lenghty process. A co-worker of mine just got selected to work for SS and the process took months. He leaves at the start of the fiscal year and I will definitely ask him to look into this guy.

2) He holds a 5th Dan in CQB (which is an old term that has been around the military for quite some time) TACTICS. If he created it why does he have a 5th Dan?