8/17/2007 12:46pm, #21
I decided to do a search for CQB tactics and companies that offer it, and the funny thing is that there is NO WAY he created CQB as he states, at least not the name...LOL. There are so many results for CQB and several actual companies offering services that are founded by actual retired service men, that this guy looks just like a wanna be....who hangs onto his volunteer detective title and his work WITH (not for) the secret sevrice (which I find suspect anyway).
Once, I was a "security" guy at a high profile function here in NYC with governor Cuomo (see how old I am) and some UN folks. Basically, the real security service folks did their job, and I along with the extras they hired stood far away from the action watch the wind blow.
I would bet his experience was something like this....
8/17/2007 12:47pm, #22Originally Posted by Lumberjack
8/17/2007 12:48pm, #23Originally Posted by sambosteve
8/17/2007 12:53pm, #24
OK, I found his real name on some Karate Forum (posted june 2004):
Master Julian Hoenig
5th Dan, Renshi, Okinawan GoJu Ryu
5th Dan, Co-Founder CQB Tactics (Close Quarter Battle)
3rd Dan Katsugo Ryu AikiJuJitsu
2nd Dan USA/Urban GoJu Ryu
1st Dan Close Combat JuJitsu
Police Tactics/Hand to Hand Combat Master Instructor
Member--United Martial Artists Association Black Belt Hall of Fame 1998
Member--Action Martial Arts Magazine Black Belt Hall of Fame 2004
8/17/2007 12:56pm, #25
So, we know know his teacher's name was Alexander Kirk and his name is Julius Hoenig. That should help us figure him out a bit.
8/17/2007 1:40pm, #26
From his myspace page:
Ive been in the martial arts most of my life, and have earned the rank of 5th Degree Black Belt in four systems,
8/17/2007 2:03pm, #27
Regarding the "Action Martial Arts HOF"...
To get on this hall of fame, you nominate yourself, explain your contributions to martial arts, and promise to sell X number of tickets to the banquet. If is not a measure of skill at all. It is about how much $$$ you can get the banquet. Here is the application for 2004 (which Jules says was the year he was awarded):
On a side note, I have not been able to locate Master Julius Hoenig on Googel on any on the Action MA Hall of fame sites. I have also not been able to locate a listing of past AMA HOF inductees either. So, I wrote to Action Martial Arts to confirm his claim as a 2004 inductee into their hall of fame.
Regarding his induction into the "United Martial Arts Association HOF". I can't find such a thing (so far). I did find a few schools and smallorgs by that name, but no HOF. I also found the "United States Martial Arts Association HOF" inductee list and Hoenig is not on there:
I can't find anything about Alexander Kirk - except on Jules' website.
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8/17/2007 2:09pm, #28
He claims Akiki something somwhere on his page or another forum I'll see if I can find it.
8/17/2007 3:02pm, #29
This, I suppose is *similar* to the Action Martial Arts Magazine Hall of Fame:
this shows the Action Martial Arts Magazine Hall of Fame Event Gallery.
Clicking on the side link:
shows Dr. Jim Thomas
from the USA Martial Arts Hall of Fame
also referneced in another investigation of Tiger Klay
and had it's own thread devoted to it
8/17/2007 3:02pm, #30
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I haven't read much but I two things immediately hit the BS meter.
1) Working with the secret service. This is not something that just happens. You have to be employed by the government (military, NSA, Treasury, etc) and even then its a lenghty process. A co-worker of mine just got selected to work for SS and the process took months. He leaves at the start of the fiscal year and I will definitely ask him to look into this guy.
2) He holds a 5th Dan in CQB (which is an old term that has been around the military for quite some time) TACTICS. If he created it why does he have a 5th Dan?______
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