8/30/2007 12:13pm, #261So Kirk is a confirmed 1st Dan in Judo. You would assume that he would have also been listed in the 5th Dan rankings if he indeed actually possessed a 6th Dan
Are Kosen Judo rankings separated out from the Kodokan rankings?
That would seem to definitively confirm that Jules was never sworn in as an SPCC agent in the state of NY.
However, I believe Hawaii is the key to the SPCC puzzle in that Jules claimed to have been actually sworn in in Hawaii, correct?
Guys, just feel I should mention that Kodokan grades are not the same as national grades. You need to check whichever US association this person was a member of. Maybe he's a 6th in the US and the author got confused about who issued his grade.
I also want to note that if Kirk was not ranked a 6th dan, it could mean several things...
-an error on the part of the Kodokan
-that Hoenig lied about Kirk
-that Hoenig told the truth, but was lied to by Kirk
-that they both lied
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8/30/2007 1:46pm, #262Originally Posted by sambosteve
Originally Posted by sambosteve
I was also under the impression that the USJA and the USJF simply RECOGNIZED rank as opposed to AWARDED rank. Although, that being said, if either of those USA Judo governing bodies did recognize the rank there should be some sort of lineage tree discernible from that recognition.
8/31/2007 12:14am, #263
In line with the Kodokan's reply, I recieved this e-mail from the USJF regarding Kirk's Judo rank:
He received his Shodan from the USJF in 1984. He has not been
registered with us since the early 90's.
8/31/2007 12:48pm, #264
I have checked our records and we no record of Alexander Kirk. He has never been a member or ever registering a rank with us. Please let me know if I can help you with anything else.
UNITED STATES JUDO ASSOCIATION
8/31/2007 1:17pm, #265
Here is what I received
I do not have any member in my system with the name of Alexander Kirk.
Please let me know if I can assist you with anything else.
Membership Services Director
8/31/2007 1:21pm, #266From : National Office
Sent : Friday, August 31, 2007 6:02 AM
Subject : Re: [USJF-WEB] Membership Question
The only rank I show is his Shodan.
On Aug 30, 2007, at 5:27 PM, wrote:
Thank you very much is that the only rank he held or was he promoted any higher?
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:13:05 -0600
He received his Shodan with the USJF in 1984.
On Aug 30, 2007, at 10:37 AM, wrote:
I'm currently looking for information concerning A Gentleman named Alexander Kirk. I have been able to determine his ranking as 1st Dan according to the Kodokan in Japan.
I'm trying to confirm his rank in any organization with in the United States.
Thank you for any help
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8/31/2007 2:05pm, #267
So it seems according to the Kodokan, USA Judo, USJA, and USJF. The only rank Kirk held was a 1st Dan in Judo.
There is always the possibility that Kirk trained with someone who never registered his rank. But, we don't know who Kirk Trained with except for Urban...which has not been confirmed. I would like to know who he studied Aikido with...combat JuJitsu as well. I did write to Urban's daughter and the head of Urban's USA Goju Organization about Kirk.
9/03/2007 6:10pm, #268
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Well, I must admit, I really....REALLY am absolutely amazed at some of you guys. Just to let ALL of the members on this site know, I just started receiving harrasing PHONE CALLS from one of your members who claimed to be the head, or director, or some position of importance here on this site.
Whomever you are, please know this.......
NEXTEL has been contacted, as well as my local police department regarding these calls.
Just because you "blocked" your number, dont be foolish enough to think they will not find out who you are.
In their first call to me, when I asked who was calling, the person said they were from Bullshido, inquiring about .....and when I interrupted and said "You guys are unbelievable.....how did you get this number ?"......They said ....."It was listed right next to the picture of the naked little boy...."..........and started laughing and hung up.
You may have noticed that I havent been here in a little bit.....mostly because Ive been busy working, but also because I really dont care anymore. I posted my certificates for you to see as I said I would, and Ive really lost interest in going any further with this.
Im just amazed that one or more of your members would take this as far as to actually CALL me and make harrassing calls, and leave a harrassing message.
As I said.....NEXTEL, as well as the police have been contacted. I would suggest that this action stops now. It has already "crossed a line" that should not have been crossed.
9/03/2007 7:33pm, #269
Did you file a police report?Locu5
combat sports hobbyist
9/03/2007 7:35pm, #270
Originally Posted by knifehand1
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