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  1. Fantasy Warrior is offline
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    Is this techincal sequence realistic?

    I found this on the internet and wondered what people's views are on it's technical merit. It appears to show a lady being grabbed from behind in something approximating a rear naked choke, which the lady escapes from via a twisty wristy technique which is followed through to a spectacular throw. I assume from the first frame that this is not a sparring sequence but a self-defence sequence. Clearly the defender's zanshin must be lacking,:ninja7:



    I think that the attacker failed to take full advantage of the poor awareness of the defender and did not apply a sufficient robust or 'sunk' choke-hold.

    What do you think?
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    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
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    technically, thats not a lady. realistic? hell no. And thats coming from a shou shu guy.

    Thats a kook sool won guy, I recognise him from the bay area in the 70s-80s.

    Assailants dont sit there and allow you to perform various techniqus without counter -attacks ("thats what I've been trying to tell you!"), though some of these moves could be applied affectively, although I cant tell from the photos. Did they include explanations?
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    Look at frame 2 and 3. If the "attacker" was square to the victim instead of standing sideways the whole series breaks down. I realize TKD guys love standing sideways so maybe thats the way they choke...
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    That's not TKD. Interestingly, the correct way to apply a rear naked choke from standing is with one foot in front of the other. Of course the guy in the picture isn't doing it correctly either.
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    The sequence is designed to awe the public with the "master's" great skill. Its got plenty of technical merit from that point of view - but it doesn't depict self defense I'd tell anyone to use.

    In pic 2, the attacker starts acting like the dog that finally caught the car - "now what do I do?"

    In reality, with the victim off balance that much, I think the attacker's instinct would be to drop the victim down or at least start hitting them.

    Although the wristy thing might not fail if the attacker hasn't solidified his grip, the sequence gives no indication that the victim did anything to preserve their balance or smack the attacker in an attempt to make them loosen the grip prior to the wristy thing.

    Pic 4 is the most damning - the victim has the tables turned on someone who just tried to choke (this could be argued into a "I feared for my life" situation without much effort) them, instead of beating them into unconsiousness (or at least kicking the knee of the supporting leg) so the attacker can't chase them the victim steps around and does one hell of a throw.

    However, all that said, I couldn't pull off a throw like that. I can't take that away from the guy.

    But I sure wouldn't tell my wife to go learn how to do that.
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    >>> However, all that said, I couldn't pull off a throw like that. I can't take that away from the guy.

    Well, I'm pretty sure the attacker throwed himself to facilitate the demonstration of this wonderful S/D technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    Well, I'm pretty sure the attacker throwed himself to facilitate the demonstration of this wonderful S/D technique.
    Sure. I think what's more interesting is what would have happened to the attacker's shoulder if he didn't. If he didn't throw himself would the action from pic 7 to pic 8 damaged the arm at all?

    I don't know. I know the victim might have been set up to do a takedown from a shoulder lock/keylock in pic 3 but doesn't because that isn't the purpose of this little sequence.
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    For me the confusion lies in pictures 4, 5, and 6. She goes from an up key lock, to a down key lock, to an around the head wrap around. There are clearly some steps not shown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaverickZ
    For me the confusion lies in pictures 4, 5, and 6. She goes from an up key lock, to a down key lock, to an around the head wrap around. There are clearly some steps not shown.
    If you'd read the thread you'd know that's man on man action despite the feminine hair cut. Are these moves in TKD?
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    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickcatcher
    If you'd read the thread you'd know that's man on man action despite the feminine hair cut. Are these moves in TKD?
    I call it like I see it.

    These moves are not in any TKD I have studied, they may be in styles that I have not studied. The furthest that "self defense" went in the TKD I studied is break-aways and simple joint locks.

    So how long are you going to dodge the question of your experience?
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