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  1. Ashe is offline

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    Swiss ball is a better choice because benches and the floor interfere with the natural movement of your scapulae during the press. The ball allows normal scapular movement, and requires greater recruitment of your stabilizers, permitting greater functional transference to other tasks.
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    I can see the floor interfering with natural movement, but a weight bench?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashe
    Swiss ball is a better choice because benches and the floor interfere with the natural movement of your scapulae during the press. The ball allows normal scapular movement, and requires greater recruitment of your stabilizers, permitting greater functional transference to other tasks.

    Yes but maybe you don't want to work the stabilizers? Maybe you want a big bad ass bench press number and strong chest muscles. Then the focus should be on lifting heavy weight which would be better done on a bench.

    To the OP: are you doing anything besides curls/bench? Can you maybe do weighted pushups (if you have a partner and a way to strap the weight on you)?

    Best thing I ever did was join a 24 hour gym. But before that I had a 300lb barbell set and could do almost anything.
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    I've been wondering about something very similar to this. I'm staying a fair distance from the gym next year, and unfortunately the gym downstairs has no bench press (but it does have a tanning bed for some reason). Could I get away with just doing dumbbell presses on a bench and use that to completely replace the standard bench press?
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    There is no way in hell that one can use heavy weights with a stability ball. A better way to work the stabilizers with a stability ball, if one chooses to do so, is doing pushups with both feet in the ball (or better yet, one foot in the ball with the other one raised above it.)

    I don't have a bench press at home (I'm gonna get me one this weekend for $90), so I've had to settle with push ups or floor presses when working out at home. Epicurus, if you are looking for a good way to workout without a bench, I suggest you look at one hand push ups. It doesn't matter how much one can bench, one hand push ups are a bitch, and will work not only your chest and shoulders but everything between them and your pelvis.

    Speaking of floor presses, this dude made a self-spotting rig for floor presses. I think it's a bit too messy, or maybe I'm too lazy or with too short of an attention span. However, it's an interesting concept, and I can see how one can floor press obscene amounts with it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO_8HrOUBTA

    Then he has this at-home chest workout (just to give ideas)... pretty much what I like to do at home. I'm not gonna tag it, just give the URL (to avoid cluttering this thread.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQAh7m4xsMo

    But, to keep it somewhat related to the topic of this thread, let me show you what this guy does, as alternatives to not having a bench press (using a table as bench and a piece of lumber as an incline bench... I'd used a 2x6 if I were him, though.)

    I'm sure these ideas cannot be used for very heavy lifts, but they can be workable ideas for working out at home w/o a bench.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYSNYgZoytw


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG7wLhTB2eo





    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQAh7m4xsMo


    ps... you should subscribe to this guy's vids. Whether they work for you or not, they guy has some interesting ideas.
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    Regarding some of the questions: I haven't been doing serious weight training in a long time because I have been travelling all over and my student membership at the gym just ended (and I'm moving soon so no point renewing it for about a month). Thus, the only exercises I do are sets of pushups/diamond pushups, ab wheel, hindu squats, chinups, and a few bicep curls. Do you think weighted pushups would work if I put the weights in a backpack and tightened the straps to the limit? Right now I have a decent workout in terms of getting a sweat going and keeping in basic shape, but I would like to up my 1RM and gain some muscle mass as well. Doing bodyweight exercises every night feel great and gets me tried but I need weights again for sure.
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    Weighted pushups are recommended by many, including the Great Lord Enamait, but I'm not sure if they can help in building mass. The bag pack sounds like a good idea, but make sure the weight remains stable. You don't want the weights to go all of the sudden to the left or to the right when you do push ups. Should be fun, but I don't think that's what you want. :tongue3:

    Seriously, consider one hand push ups - you can do assisted one hand push ups by placing one hand in a basketball (or better yet, just the fingertips) while firmly using the other one for the push up. Keep your legs open for stability at first. If you have never done them, I can assure you you'll have a hard time getting doing 10, or even 5 in good form. Those are good ranges for strenght and hyperthropy.

    I may be wrong, but I firmly believe this exercise helped me increase my bench. You will still need a bench at some point to work on your 1RM, though. But if you only have lemons for the time being, just do lemonade and enjoy it ;)
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Quote Originally Posted by redazncommieDXP
    I've been wondering about something very similar to this. I'm staying a fair distance from the gym next year, and unfortunately the gym downstairs has no bench press (but it does have a tanning bed for some reason). Could I get away with just doing dumbbell presses on a bench and use that to completely replace the standard bench press?
    I believe so. I've had great gains in using dumbells instead of a barbell. I use dumbells exclusively for the different benches.

    I always hear advice like "use a barbell because you can do more weight" or "just let it bounce of your chest, sure, it hurts at first but you get used to it and you can do more weight." To me, getting stronger is what counts, not seeing how much I can left. Besides, that kind of thing leads to injury.
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    Anyone who tells you to "to let the barbell bounce off your chest" is a tard. I mean, the human chest is not a trampolin, but a bundle of bones surrounding a cavity with organs in it, and the barbell is a piece of metal loaded with weights on each side of it. Do the math, and you'll know that bouncing is the last thing it's gonna happen if you let that baby land on your chest.

    A good press, be it dumbbell or barbell, be it on the floor or in a bench, is made with controlled movements. Controlled on the way up, and controlled on the way down.

    Also, if what counts for you is how strong you get, how much you lift has to count as well. Otherwise, how can you measure your strenght gains? :eng101:
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    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    Anyone who tells you to "to let the barbell bounce off your chest" is a tard. I mean, the human chest is not a trampolin, but a bundle of bones surrounding a cavity with organs in it, and the barbell is a piece of metal loaded with weights on each side of it. Do the math, and you'll know that bouncing is the last thing it's gonna happen if you let that baby land on your chest.

    A good press, be it dumbbell or barbell, be it on the floor or in a bench, is made with controlled movements. Controlled on the way up, and controlled on the way down.

    Also, if what counts for you is how strong you get, how much you lift has to count as well. Otherwise, how can you measure your strenght gains? :eng101:
    Yeah, the guy telling me to bounce the barbell was pretty much a moron. I was in a complete state of shock that someone actually believed that. I couldn't even react.

    I agree the controlled movements are important; I value that over weight. I think weight is a measurement of progress as long as you maintain the same quality of movement. If you are increasing the weight but lifting in a more sloppy manner, then the weight increases matter little. Keeping the same weight but lifting with better form is also in improvement in my opinion.

    I like to keep a full range of motion so I stick with a bench.
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