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  1. truepwrz is offline

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    does this training work???

    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1083869

    i was surfing the net and found this page and i found out this page teaches the exact opposite of what me and lots of other fighters are doing i dont get it.

    what are other thoughts???
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    how is it the exact opposite?
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    well they say no long runs which i make 6 miles a day currently... my other friends do even more.. and stuff like that i guess(my english sux ignore the opposite part just focus on if it works) should i give up my current training and switch over to this type???
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    Basically the author is saying that long distance running builds the wrong kind of muscle endurance for a fighter. Long distance running builds "slow twitch" muscle fibers. These fibers are great for slow steady power over a long period of time. However, as a fighter, you want quick explosive power. This quick power comes from "fast twitch" muscle fibers.

    Also, I'm pretty sure he isn't knocking on running, he's just saying that you shouldn't run so far for so long: 2-3 miles tops.

    P.S. Thanks for introducing me to this workout. It looks like it's just the kind of program I've been looking for and I can't wait to start it. If you'd like, I can keep you posted on my progress (if any).
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    truepwrz, kid, I think we mentioned to you that 6-mile runs don't really help you. Sprints (which are in the same category as the exercises suggested by the author) would help you a lot better.

    I disagree a bit about his claims that deadlifts won't help. Muscle is muscle, strenght is strenght. Anything that helps you build a strong, powerfull posterior chain (what runs on you from your back down to your ankles) will help you in being explosive.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Posted On:
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    Actually Macho, In another article: http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1034530 (which is another great article btw) the same author calls the deadlift the ultimate strength training excercise. I think, in the article above, that he's just saying that deadlifts aren't the best for endurance training.
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    Yeah 6 miles is pointless, it doesn't really relate to anything you'd do in competition.

    Intervals, sprints, circuits etc are all your friend.

    I don't do any long slow distance now. Longest runs i do is 4 x 800m intervals with a minutes rest (walking) in between, aiming to complete each as fast as possible. Follow that by 50m sprints then jog back to the start and repeat x 4. That's still over 2 miles in total.

    I know i quote this one a lot but it is teh awesome:

    http://www.rosstraining.com/sequenti...echallenge.pdf
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    Distance running can help you in keeping your weight down. Other than that, sprints and high intensity training will serve you better for a fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryno
    Distance running can help you in keeping your weight down. Other than that, sprints and high intensity training will serve you better for a fight.
    High intensity will actually help better with weight management too.

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hig...ient=firefox-a
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    Posted On:
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    I keep my runs to a mile for time, then I brake and do a walk/sprint for a mile. Running is not my main conditioning tool, lots of other stuff at the gym are. Hell I would rather do 100's of burpees than run 6 miles! They would do more and are less boring.
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