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  1. Roidie McDouchebag is offline
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    Injury Waiting To Happen

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    Posted On:
    8/12/2007 2:53pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    No amount of circle-jerking will make Systema suck less.
  2. SFGOON is offline
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    and humble, too!

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     Style: Systema, BJJ, Arrestling

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    You're just begging me to sign you up for Amway, aren't you?
  3. Roidie McDouchebag is offline
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    8/12/2007 3:16pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    LOL, at least you realize how it looks to the rational.
  4. kaiche is offline

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    8/12/2007 8:40pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Not sure what the deal is with Systema. It doesn't look that silly. Maybe Systema ppl don't explain themselves very well or something.
  5. Chaotic is offline

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    8/13/2007 6:32am

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I did 3 months of Systema before switching to Submission Grappling and Boxing.

    Here is my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt. The school I was at emphasized strength conditioning and the instructors would take jabs at the bullshit coming from the Systema "masters" and some of the more silly things.

    The good:

    The conditioning drills and workout
    Basic boxing and kickboxing were taught
    Basic grappling was taught (included some rolling)

    The bad:

    All the weapons work was unrealistic
    The slow motion sparring was next to worthless
    The "Systema" striking was horrible (telegraphed strikes, very bad guard, not enough emphasis on footwork, etc...)
    The group drills tended to be unrealistic
    Most of the drills had predefined "winners" and "losers"
    Pecking order was encouraged via length of time at the school
    There was very little actual sparring.. most of the time 4oz gloves were used, and people were always told to slow down

    I don't think Systema was completely garbage, and the conditioning and some of the (more standard) fighting techniques were decent enough. It just seems really silly to do something where the only bits you are taking away are things you could learn at a school that is dedicated to teaching them.
  6. WhiteShark is offline
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    1% Shark is better than you.

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     Style: BJJ/Shidokan

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    At some point Martial Arts that are "totally different" become exactly the same. I'd say that point is when you are fighting. Remember the point of all this is to learn how to fight.
  7. kaiche is offline

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    8/13/2007 11:17am

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    In many ways I like Systemas simplicity. The training methods will enhance any fighting style. Infact, I would say the training methods are the easiest way to understand arts like Aikido, Tai Chi, Bagua etc. Unfortunately this means it attracts alot of odd hippies with slightly too much chi in the brain, and I find the whole Christianity connection dubious at best. In sum, I can see why Systema gets a bad rap , but the training methods are sound enough.
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