Human Weapon - Karate / Kyokushin Episode

**El Neko** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 11:25am

I didn't catch the whole episode (totally forgot about it), but the only thing that tick me off was Bill not loosing a chance to talk about the deadly, overall it wasn't a bad episode (what I got to watch), but the fight could have been better

**Mas** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 11:40am

Originally Posted by FickleFingerOfFate

That must be why they call Judo a "Grappling" Art. :tongue3:

Touche sir.

**Permalost** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 11:49am

I've gotten the feeling that none of the fighters (the thai boxer, escrimador and karateka) were really trying to win or hurt the other guy. They looked more like exhibition matches.

**ChickenBeakFist** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 12:08pm

Originally Posted by CodosDePiedra

I've gotten the feeling that none of the fighters (the thai boxer, escrimador and karateka) were really trying to win or hurt the other guy. They looked more like exhibition matches.

Does anyone really expect a master to go all out against someone with maybe, at most, a couple weeks experience in the style? The black belt was obviously holding back during the match, as with the Muay Thai episode. You could tell when he fell backwards how awkward it was for him to pull his punches and kicks. I think that's why Phrost felt like something was missing. It was like watching a cat bat around a mouse for a few minutes before eating it.

It would be much more interesting if the two hosts fought each other at the end of each episode. Then it wouldn't be so lopsided in terms of skill and the audience can see who the best student was during their training. I'll keep watching though. I'm looking forward to the Judo episode as well

**Wolf** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 12:11pm

No, but they shouldn't bill it as a fight either. It should be billed as a sparring match with the "champion" going a little easy. To be fair, I'm not sure how easy the escrimador went. That seemed like the one decent "fight" so far.

**Snake Plissken** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 1:05pm

Originally Posted by Wolf

The only belt ranking I've found for Bill is that he's a brown in "Korean street fighting (Toa So Dou)." I know Chambers trains under Eddie Bravo, but I can't find a belt ranking for him.

You, sir are correct. For some reason I had it stuck in my mind, from an article I had read, that Duff studied Judo. I apologize.

I am in agreement that, thus far, the champions have gone lightly, but really, do we think they wouldn't? While it would be amusing to see one of the hosts get the tar beaten out of themselves, I doubt the producers would allow it. There is probably an 'agreement' in place, "we won't pummel your host as long as he doesn't try to make us look like a fool. We will fight down to whatever level they fight up to."

While it seemed like the escrimador went in the match that hardest, Jason seemed more at ease with the Thai fighter then the escrima match-up. Duff just seemed uncomfortable in the Karate match-up. He seemed pensive like he kept *wanting* to do something but then either not having time or not sure how.

And publicizing the end match as a "sparring session", while closer to the truth just kind lacks the dramatic flair as:
:5hypnodis a "fight with the champion" :5hypnodis

**FickleFingerOfFate** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 1:08pm

Well, if all you want is drama:

Announcer > Stay tuned as our n00b fighters meet their champion for the Ultimate......

GONG SAU!

**drjoker** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 9:16pm

Hey,

You guys are actually complaining that the Karate black belt guy didn't fight full contact (with head punches) with Bill? Gee, I wonder if the show can have future episodes if the host dies off the show?

Did you see when Bill "accidentally" punched the Karateka in the face? He wasn't following the rules. The Japanese are a VERY rule-abiding bunch. The audience actually gasped at this rude "foreign barbarian" (this is the Japanese word for foreigner, gaijin) breaking a rule. So, they "extended" the match 1 more minute to give him some more punishment as payback. I'm surprised none of y'all caught that. The Japanese are very subtle. An American in the same situation would've shouted and cussed out Bill. I think Bill should've bowed and apologized for hitting the karateka in the face. That would've been a very Japanese thing to do. He would've been great ambassador for America if he did that.

By the way, I LOVED the Muay Thai episode....

**cyrijl** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 9:45pm

I just think it is sad the okinawan villages can only buy one rock per village to train on. All of that aside, it is 2007 and we have better/ more efficient ways of training. Sports science has developed quite a bit in the last 400 years and while it is nice to think of this secret band of karate killers, it is more of a fantasy than a reality.

Yeah the show is very formulaic, but it needs to be. Alot of the people who watch the show probably don't train in martial arts. Of those that do fewer spar at a reasonable level of contact. And of those even fewer fight.

The hosts are told some hokey stuff and then they gaze in amazement and wonder. It is nice to expose more people to these other arts.

**Wolf** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 11:37pm

Originally Posted by drjoker

Hey,

You guys are actually complaining that the Karate black belt guy didn't fight full contact (with head punches) with Bill? Gee, I wonder if the show can have future episodes if the host dies off the show?

Did you see when Bill "accidentally" punched the Karateka in the face? He wasn't following the rules. The Japanese are a VERY rule-abiding bunch. The audience actually gasped at this rude "foreign barbarian" (this is the Japanese word for foreigner, gaijin) breaking a rule. So, they "extended" the match 1 more minute to give him some more punishment as payback. I'm surprised none of y'all caught that. The Japanese are very subtle. An American in the same situation would've shouted and cussed out Bill. I think Bill should've bowed and apologized for hitting the karateka in the face. That would've been a very Japanese thing to do. He would've been great ambassador for America if he did that.

By the way, I LOVED the Muay Thai episode....

I have no problems with the Karateka not throwing punches to the head. That's traditional Kyokushin rules. I have a problem with him not throwing any headkicks. If you're going to bill it as a fight then fight like you would. Otherwise call it an exhibition, friendly, whatever...