Attention Wing Chun teachers...how to save wing chun

**King117** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 11:05am

I say it depends on who you train with. Real wing chun is a powerful art.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 11:13am

Tom just in case I wasn't posting to you. I take all criticism from you to HH to Boyd. Kung Fu in general has a huge perception problem.

In hopes of stimulating more debate and pissing people off guess what?

The Kung Fu delivery system may not be the best but, it works. Sorry it does. We got the Old man fending of three attackers using strikes similar to Hung Fist.
We have the other young kid, we all laughed at, that started from that god awful reverse bow stance. He knocked that fucker to the ground.

Yes, contrary to what DTT and other Chunners say it needs to be fixed. So does 95% of kung fu. Everyone here has has a mindset if it doesn't work it needs to be thrown away. Why?

No one threw BJJ away when the rules changed grapplers added boxing and MT. Yes, I know the fundamentals didn't change. Personally, I think that is the problem with WC. Someone changed the fundamentals. Yes, I buy old Chinese manuals and the Chun doesn't really look the same to me. It looks like it took a hundred steps backwards IMO.

Point is it can work and it does work it just isn't the most effective delivery system.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 11:15am

Originally Posted by King117

I say it depends on who you train with. Real wing chun is a powerful art.

Add to the discussion or I throw you in noobietown.

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 11:39am

Originally Posted by Abusivemelon

Sorry first time for me discussing this sort of thing in the CMA forum, the usual way is YMAS where you just scream insults at the guy till the thread changes shape ie the Paraplege thread in trollshido. CMA POV? So saying give up and do MMA is not valid here I assume.

I feel if you wish to have alive training with Wing Chun then cross training is the best option as you get all the Chun non-diluted plus alive training through MMA.

Is this wrong here as well? Do my posts have to be constructive and polite or MAPesque as it is known?

That's not the point. In fact, it wasn't even your point at all. Red Herring + Strawman.

You are just being obtuse and a dick on purpose, parroting what other pple say in YMAS without knowing about the subject in question. The fact you are doing Judo over BJJ for X or Y reason doesn't mean anything, either, nor gives validity to your original line of questioning nor indicates you know what you are talking about.

**Tomas Drgon** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 11:55am

Originally Posted by King117

I say it depends on who you train with. Real wing chun is a powerful art.

Well, I can't argue about that. But since you are in Baltimore I tell you what. This is a friendly invite. I coach Judo at Baltimore Martial Arts Academy on rt40 every Friday from 6:30 to 8:00. This is a very kung fu friendly place. Stop by, I'll give you a free judo class and we can stay after class for some Wing Chun.

http://baltimoremartialarts.com/

Tomas

**Tomas Drgon** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 11:58am

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Point is it can work and it does work it just isn't the most effective delivery system.

I agree. I'd even say that the delivery system in itself is not that bad, it is the training method that makes it not work.

Tomas

**King117** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 12:07pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Add to the discussion or I throw you in noobietown.

I am adding to the discussion. I was giving my opinion and I am allowed to do that right?

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 12:09pm

Originally Posted by King117

I am adding to the discussion. I was giving my opinion and I am allowed to do that right?

Actually, no. This thread is starting to turn into a trollfest. I don't want the old tired debates of well if you learn it right, from this teacher, I have the real, it is the teacher not the art.

Your type of comment is better used in a YMAS chun thread. We have thousands of those.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 12:10pm

Originally Posted by Tomas Drgon

I agree. I'd even say that the delivery system in itself is not that bad, it is the training method that makes it not work.

Tomas

Yep and this applies to many Kung Fu styles not just the chun.

**King117** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 12:11pm

Originally Posted by Tomas Drgon

Well, I can't argue about that. But since you are in Baltimore I tell you what. This is a friendly invite. I coach Judo at Baltimore Martial Arts Academy on rt40 every Friday from 6:30 to 8:00. This is a very kung fu friendly place. Stop by, I'll give you a free judo class and we can stay after class for some Wing Chun.

http://baltimoremartialarts.com/

Tomas

Thank you my friend. You may know a friend of mine name tony, on here is name is Tvo. I tried to make the MD throwdown but I found out kind of late. I will come by and thanks for the invite.