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  1. Tom Kagan is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abusivemelon
    ... inserting alive training into kata and all the other bollocks is like trying to put gum drops in sewage.

    Judo exists today because Jigoro Kano went searching and found 't3h r3a1' Japanese JuJitsu. If Jigoro Kano had your childish attitude with regards to the state of Japanese JuJitsu 120 some-odd years ago, there would have been the distinct possibility that there would not be any Judo - your chosen style - for you to study.
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    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    Judo exists today because Jigoro Kano went searching and found 't3h r3a1' Japanese JuJitsu. If Jigoro Kano had your childish attitude with regards to the state of Japanese JuJitsu 120 some-odd years ago, there would have been the distinct possibility that there would not be any Judo - your chosen style - for you to study.
    Yes, let's put it in the proper perspective.

    I wish we had a time machine to look at these art creators. I bet JK trained, fought, experimented and threw away the crap.

    So, while I agree with what you are saying, Abusive is right in a sense. Many schools say hey let's hard spar with no tutelage. You can't do that at all.

    Now, if you work with fighters that help you, i agree you can drop fighting into a Kata based system. Thing is you can't do it alone. You can't stay in your little box and say look what I can do.
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    Southpaw - absolutely correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    It is not boxing as in the sport and you know this. Put something stupid in there and watch what happens.
    I am not gonna drag out the old bare knuckles pics with the Man/Wu ready postions and the rolled up sleeves for sensitivity to compare to boxing. Its called "Chinese Boxing" isnt it?

    My point was you don't need to go to the SPORT of boxing to get what Southpaw is talking about, you just need to do what real fighters do with any MA. Train Hard in it realistically with the goal of winning fights, and then fight. Having a group of Tuogh Men to practice with helps too. WC is allready boxing. has been for 300 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr._Tzun_Tzu
    I am not gonna drag out the old bare knuckles pics with the Man/Wu ready postions and the rolled up sleeves for sensitivity to compare to boxing. Its called "Chinese Boxing" isnt it?

    My point was you don't need to go to the SPORT of boxing to get what Southpaw is talking about, you just need to do what real fighters do with any MA. Train Hard in it realistically with the goal of winning fights, and then fight. Having a group of Tuogh Men to practice with helps too. WC is allready boxing. has been for 300 years.
    How did I know you' pull out the tired "chinese boxing?"

    Thank you great insight.

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    Wing Chun at it's very best is sorta 'dirty ' boxing with elbows, standing locks and a couple of sweeps and checking kicks and a few stylistic quirks like vertical fists and CMA conditioning.

    The trapping stuff is low percentage but looks cool if you do manage to pull it off.

    If trained hard enough and with and open mind to filling in the gaps, this can be evolved into an decent standup game. That is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    Wing Chun at it's very best is sorta 'dirty ' boxing with elbows, standing locks and a couple of sweeps and checking kicks and a few stylistic quirks like vertical fists and CMA conditioning.

    The trapping stuff is low percentage but looks cool if you do manage to pull it off.

    If trained hard enough and with and open mind to filling in the gaps, this can be evolved into an decent standup game. That is all.
    Hmmm that's what we've been saying for the years I've been here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    Judo exists today because Jigoro Kano went searching and found 't3h r3a1' Japanese JuJitsu. If Jigoro Kano had your childish attitude with regards to the state of Japanese JuJitsu 120 some-odd years ago, there would have been the distinct possibility that there would not be any Judo - your chosen style - for you to study.
    MMA did not exist in Kano's day. There are many decent styles available, unless no other option presents itself then moving to an established style will allow you the best training possible. Judo is my chosen style for the simple reason it is available. However if BJJ was available along with say MMA and muay thai I would go with what suited me and not choose a style based on history or sentimental value as it is not what I train for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    If trained hard enough and with and open mind to filling in the gaps, this can be evolved into a decent standup game.
    Yeah, kickboxing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abusivemelon
    MMA did not exist in Kano's day. There are many decent styles available, unless no other option presents itself then moving to an established style will allow you the best training possible. Judo is my chosen style for the simple reason it is available. However if BJJ was available along with say MMA and muay thai I would go with what suited me and not choose a style based on history or sentimental value as it is not what I train for.

    So, if I understand you correctly, you either don't understand what this sub-forum is intended for or are just trolling here.

    Every thread in the CMA sub-forum is not meant to be used for posts such as yours to rehash the same tired argument. If you are curious, read the stickies and/or other threads in this sub-forum for some perspectives on your issue from the CMA point of view. If you have a new perspective on this issue, also feel free to post in in a relevant CMA thread which directly addresses the issue you brought up. This thread isn't it.

    It seems to me as if YMAS is the sub-forum you want. You'll occasionally find me joining in which such trolling in those areas, too. :smile: I have to warn you though, Virus has the particular argument gimmick you're using pretty much covered already.


    Edit: Re my last sentence & Virus's post above: See what I mean?
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    ATTN TOM KAGAN
    World Dominator 'Kagan' in plot to lie about real Kung Fu and Martial Arts
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    I am infatuated with Tom Kagan
    Tom Kagan is a fat balding white guy.
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