8/16/2014 12:52pm, #1
International Wushu Sanda Federation video(s)
Highlights from this 80s CMA fight tournament video have been going around for ages, but it finally showed up with some more context:
The came channel also has a large of number of more modern san da videos, like:
(san da has come a long way)“Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
8/18/2014 5:41pm, #2
Very interesting stuff. The change from no pads to pads made for a much more slug-fest oriented type of match. Looks more like kick boxing with grappling now.Falling for Judo since 1980
8/19/2014 5:04am, #3
The striking is mostly bad to mediocre, but the takedowns are pretty good. I think this is mainly because before safety gear it was harder to spar striking "alive" compared to takedowns. Modern gear allowed them to use improved training methods, which led in turn to a much higher quality of fighter.“Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
8/19/2014 5:12am, #4
Some more footage (the first take down is very nice):
“Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
8/19/2014 8:46am, #5
likewise some of them had no shuai jiao, so the throws were spectacular, as they can often be against noobs.
thanks for finding the extended footage, i have wanted to see more and get more info for a long time, since seeing those short highlights."Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
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8/19/2014 10:48am, #6
So how much does the sanda have to evolve before it's not really chinese MA anymore and just kickboxing with takedowns but no groundwork?
I'm not being critical, just curious.Falling for Judo since 1980
8/19/2014 3:56pm, #7
Sanda (big S) has no groundwork because of its military origins and the original standup-oriented systems used to develop it, and it is as much Russian as it is Chinese. It's a simplification/reduction of older complex systems, designed for compatibility with similar non-Chinese systems (namely those of their allies).
sanda (little s) is a little different as close to traditional "kung fu fighting" as you're going to see in 2014, which means it will vary greatly depending on the underlying arts that practice san da along with various other elements. Many CMA schools do NOT practice san da the way Ming, Jack, or myself would approve of.
I think this is why Sanda videos tend to be more uniform with less variation than the san da stuff on the lei tai (where you get not only wide variation in techniques, but even wider variation in skill levels).
I think we're all pretty much in agreement that when in either Sanda or san da people try to imitate fist sets or show off stances instead of actually apply techniques, it looks ridiculous to the trained eye.
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8/19/2014 5:30pm, #8
8/19/2014 10:00pm, #9
8/20/2014 4:02am, #10
... but mostly punches, kicks and throws are just going to look like punches, kicks and throws. Fighting looks like fighting, and if the movements look overly stylized when they're applied it's usually an indication that the fighter was badly trained.