Is the kneebar applicable in MMA?

**Necroth** · Posted On: 8/30/2007 8:18pm

Damn straight...right until I saw him go down 0-3 in KotC...and then I swear I saw him lose in WEC too. It made me sad. I used to love watching that little bastard destroy sappy strikers who thought 6 months of BJJ would save them...beauty.

**Fighting Cephalopod** · Posted On: 8/30/2007 9:13pm

Originally Posted by Necroth

Kesting within striking range...it caroms off his foot and.....GOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLL!!1!11!

Paulson, Kesting, (for those fans of 2000) Shannon Ritch,

hahahahahahahahahah what

You're kidding, right?

**h_sh_m** · Posted On: 8/31/2007 11:50am

what do yall think of kneebar off a failed armbar from the guard? ie: the guy manages to pull out or whatever so that he's standing on top of you. when this happened to me i used to transition to x-guard, but shortly after learning it, i went straight to a kneebar on the leg that is the same side as the arm i just attempted to lock. i feel like this has less lag time than going to x-guard, but i've never seen it employed successfully in a professional match.

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 8/31/2007 2:47pm

I actually saw Shannon win in spectacular fashion, by leglock, live...but still...

**Necroth** · Posted On: 8/31/2007 9:36pm

Fatherdog: See parentheses. Read. Enlighten thyself. Thank you.

**Fighting Cephalopod** · Posted On: 9/05/2007 11:38am

Originally Posted by Necroth

Fatherdog: See parentheses. Read. Enlighten thyself. Thank you.

I was a fan of the sport in 2000, and in 2000 Shannon Ritch was a 14-16 tomato can with one win by leglock over a dude who never fought anyone other than Shannon Ritch. He's never been particularly good at anything, leglocks included.

**Sh0t** · Posted On: 9/08/2007 11:16pm

I'm a big fan of kneebars. They apply because even if you never get anybody in one, people have to always DEFEND against them. That's the value of submissions outside of winning the fight: even if you don't get them, people have to devote energy and cpu cycles to defending them.

Think about when you are working f somebody's open guard, the danger of going for it is ever present, so people have to be careful.

I think one reason why they are less common is that a lot of people do not learn them as many schools of BJJ do not teach many leg locks in general. Leg locks take a lot more time to learn than arm locks and chokes(generally) to learn and you require a better command of positioning to get them from positions as opposed to getting lucky and hooking a leg from a sloppy kick or a sloppy open guard.

My friend's BJJ school doesn't even teach leg locks except in a basic way to practice defending them, something I think is fairly common these days because of the rules in the grappling competitions.