8/01/2007 3:48pm, #11Originally Posted by fatherdogUndisputed KING OF ASSHOLES.
8/01/2007 3:52pm, #12Originally Posted by UpaLumpaUndisputed KING OF ASSHOLES.
8/01/2007 4:15pm, #13And an armbar takes more power than a heelhook; that doesn't make it a "power move".
If they triangle their legs you should be immediately switching to the toehold on their other leg, which is much harder to defend against and leaves an immediate opening for you to finish the kneebar if they try.
The thing is, I'm not disagreeing with you that the kneebar is a valid technique for MMA, and if you like it, good for you, but it shouldn't be a favoured submission because the risk is greater than with other submissions. I don't think that's particularly deniable, the risk is simply greater, the chances of landing it are worse. It doesn't matter if you can come up with something else you'd be able to do from there, the risk is still greater and the percentage still poorer, and that's not me saying that, I have the weight of the statistics on my side and you don't.
8/01/2007 4:48pm, #14
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I find a lot more arms hanging out there begging to be armbared then I see legs ripe for a kneebar. And even if an armbar takes more effort to finish than a kneebar. The trade off is in the set up. And I am speaking only from an MMA point of view. But IME, kneebars require a lot more set up. More than likely though it's because I don't train them as much as other submissions and I am just missing openings. I love leg locks and I use than more than anybody else on my team. But in live rolling I have rarely been able to tap a guy from a kneebar. What wind up happening is a scramble, a roll to a different set up or an escape.Amateur MMA record: 8-3-1
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8/05/2007 8:06pm, #15
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If you do a knee bar from side mount, they wont be able to hit you with strikes
8/05/2007 11:33pm, #16
I respect kneebars and all, but they've always come off to me as armbars with a grossly disfigured risk/reward ratio. The difficulty of controlling a leg vs. an arm, the ease of escapes, the severe positional sacrifices imposed by failure are generally analogous between the armbar and the kneebar, by amplified by the leglock.Captain's Log: Just a little update for all my TRUE and HONEST friends out there:
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8/06/2007 12:34am, #17
8/06/2007 3:01pm, #18
Originally Posted by fatherdog
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8/06/2007 3:12pm, #19
I like them when I see 'em...but I never really "go" for them. I can usually make a toe hold happen or get a heel hook if they get squirmy.
Ithink it's as good as any other sub.And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".
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8/06/2007 8:03pm, #20Originally Posted by Nickeroon1987
Yep. You're swinging it over his head, like you're doing a roundhouse sweep.
You can also backspin, swinging it over his feet, which has advantages and disadvantages.Undisputed KING OF ASSHOLES.