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  1. BZM is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/31/2007 6:53pm

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    Qian Tu Pai

    I smell bullshit.

    http://www.qiantupai.com/

    What do you guys think?
  2. wingchundo is offline

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    7/31/2007 8:25pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I think you need to lurk more, post less and if you do post something like this, post why you think it's bullshit.
  3. BDV is offline

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    7/31/2007 9:51pm

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    Well, if I would cry bs on this paticualr site and person I would list the following as red flags. I would not call bs until a visit or conversation was completed but I would remain suspicious.

    He 2 point of his 4 pillars is

    2) Dian Mai (Dim Mak) as a viable method of self defense.

    He list Chuan Fa as a style and gives this discription: This art borrows from its theory from Chen family tai chi chuan and Bagua. It borrows its methods from these styles as well as long fist and southern five animals.

    Chuan fa, as far as I remeber, is a long fist art that several Kenpo people claim lineage to or at least here in NYC they do. Usually Chuan Fa is a a hodge podge art, in my experience, of Kenpo/Long fist/sports karate and any other possible art. This does not denote fraud or bs but is usually a red flag.

    It is a non-sport art or so it claims. This is usually a red flag and it could mean few things. They may have a to lethal for street mentality, poor quality of teaching thus competing against other schools may lead to comparrison by their studensts which they may not want, keep their students away from other schools due to bad reputation of the teacher, or many other reasons.

    He is a Soke......as far as I am concerned, being from NY, it is a BIG red flag! But all of this is only my opinion but I am sure there are others here who are a bit more adept at picking out the issues with this person.
  4. BZM is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/01/2007 12:19am

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    Haha, the biggest red flag to me was his overemphasis on the "Christian" aspect of his school... and the fact that he run his Accord Christian Counseling service out of the same fucking building as the dojo. An art for "the average person" just screamed McDojo at me.
  5. BDV is offline

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    8/01/2007 12:59am

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    Adding religion to MA is not really a red flag. Many TMA systems couple religion, philosophy or community generated beliefs. It may be a indicator to look more closely but it is not a screaming red flag.

    Being a MCdojo may not be a bad thing when concerning the buisness practice side.(Just my opinion and I know people have diffrent views on this subject)

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    An art for "the average person" just screamed McDojo at me.
    Yeah that is a bit odd as if being a physically fit is something beyond the "average"person's scope and ability to attain.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by BZM
    Haha, the biggest red flag to me
    Was that you listed n/a as your MA style.

    So what do you train?

    How do you know it's BS?
    Last edited by Steve; 8/01/2007 1:12am at .
  7. BZM is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/01/2007 5:21am

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    I didn't say I KNEW anything was BS, otherwise, I said I was suspicious (re: "smelled" it), and thought I'd bring it up here... but in retrospect I should have used more discretion.

    As for the "average person" remark, it was more me being wary of this being another 'parks and recs' affair, like a daycare class for kids or an alternative to power walking - as opposed to a serious fighting art and fighting school.
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    Like you might attend, or just something that you found online?

    This thread will be going to Trollshido shortly unless you can show that you're actively trying to do something to prove your point.
  9. BZM is offline

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    Posted On:
    8/01/2007 5:55am

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    I was planning to sit on on one of the instructor's "open classes" on this coming Saturday. You can either wait until then, or simply delete the thread or move it to whichever forum you wish with my condolences for wasting your time.
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    Video or it didn't happen.
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