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  1. juszczec is offline

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     Style: karate and jujutsu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Ours isn't an MMA gym. We do karate and jujutsu and allow folks to mix the two when sparring. So, sometimes you can end up mounted with someone hitting you in the head. The intensity varies based on the person getting hit and common sense.

    First we introduce reversals to the person mounted. When they can reverse someone who isn't hitting them, we let the other guy hit them. First we start with a very even punch-punch-punch-punch rhythm. As the person getting punched gets better at defending against the punches and setting up/executing a reversal we increase the intensity of the attacks.

    The puncher has more responsibilities than just attacking. During the drilling, if they see the person defending is overwhelmed, they start telling them what they need to do "Cover up your head. Reach up and pull me down." etc. If the coaching doesn't work, then they'll slow their attacks.

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    Basically, they experiment on all the people that are weaker, and easier to hit. They call them fresh meat, while they take there money and tell them to hang in there....
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     Style: karate and jujutsu

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    new2bjj

    Was this in response to my post?

    Quote Originally Posted by new2bjj
    Basically, they experiment on all the people that are weaker, and easier to hit. They call them fresh meat, while they take there money and tell them to hang in there....
    If so the answer is ummmmmmmm, no. The guys are all smart enough to go easy on beginners. Besides, we always start drills like this by saying "Ok. Now remember. You guys getting hit have the opportunity to hit the other guy back when its his turn on the bottom."

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    we'll do grappling wearing our 5oz gloves and "simulated" low power strikes, then we'll have a BOB top or our grappling dummy in the cage too and periodically the one being trained will switch over to the dummy then unleash a finishing fury of full power blows.
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     Style: TKD, MT, KEMPO

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    Quote Originally Posted by juszczec
    new2bjj

    Was this in response to my post?



    If so the answer is ummmmmmmm, no. The guys are all smart enough to go easy on beginners. Besides, we always start drills like this by saying "Ok. Now remember. You guys getting hit have the opportunity to hit the other guy back when its his turn on the bottom."

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    I was just kidding around, to an extent. There are plenty of assholes in every sport that view the other players, teammates etc as just someone to use and discard.
    I don't see why MMA would be any different. At the same time, there are plenty of guys that go in and like the camradarie and understand that just because everyone can't accel, doesn't mean that you have to tool them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by new2bjj
    I was just kidding around, to an extent. There are plenty of assholes in every sport that view the other players, teammates etc as just someone to use and discard.
    I don't see why MMA would be any different. At the same time, there are plenty of guys that go in and like the camradarie and understand that just because everyone can't accel, doesn't mean that you have to tool them.
    Ok. I understand.

    Its a sore point with me. The folks running the health club and some of the health club members look at how we train and are a bit leery of it. And I think I've posted about the local TKD school owner who calls our training methods brutal.

    I'm constantly having to tell people - if its so brutal, why is my nose so straight and why aren't I any uglier?

    FWIW, we've been lucky there have been no assholes.

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    You can get the front load grappling gloves meant for striking & grappling. They'll provide a lot more protection than regular gloves. But they do take some getting used to.

    And again, I'd have to agree with Cracky on the need for grappling w/o striking. You need to know the submissions and the only way to do that is to work them. If all you want to do is MMA then I guess you be OK. But you'll find you'll almost always revert to striking to get out of a situation rather than actually grappling. For people who take grappling seriously and compete in both grappling and MMA event you have to have just straight grappling time. IME it take a hell of a lot more skill to grapple your way out of a problem than it does to strike your way out.
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    I would be pressed to believe that even when one is interested solely in MMA, relying on strikes only to get out of subs would not work against a MMAist with solid grappling skills.

    In MMA classes, we would use 50% of the time in standup and takedown offense and defense. The other 50% would be grappling with light punches to the ribs and slaps/palm strikes to the side of the head, leaving the last 5 mins of rolling for pure grappling. The only time we punched hard was while practicing GnP with a heavy bag on the floor (with the instructor pulling us away from it).
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Kick Boxing

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    But said "MMAist with strong grappling skills" is expecting to be hit as well. And I was pointing out that if you don't break the pure grappling and the strikes while grappling up then you'll most likely revert to striking to save your ass instead of grappling.
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