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  1. Dagon Akujin is offline
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    Posted On:
    7/31/2007 4:01pm


     Style: Ving Tsun

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    Wait, wait, wait, wait.........




    Neither.
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    Posted On:
    7/31/2007 9:33pm

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     Style: BJJ, Wing Chun

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    is wing chun internal or external?
    The way I train it is external.

    It can be very soft, and sometimes people confuse soft w/ internal...

    Typically internal arts take years to make work...and wing chun is supposed to be a quick, simple way to learn to fight...so they don't really seem like they compliment each other very well.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake
    No, that is the way you specifically define internal /external.

    99.9% still consider Internal to be the way Sun Lutang defined it the correct definiton.

    It is not like the morphing of MMA from multiple striking styles to Striking/Grappling/kicking.
    so only 1% of newbees ask this question?

    More importantly, just because he wrote some book on it doesn't lock it as 3 internal styles for all time does it? What was internal about those 3? why can no other martial art ever use those same internal principles? maybe he never meet wing chun so it wasn't on his list?

    People in MA use the terms internal and external all the time. The tems have their own meaning now outside of Sun Lutang. Just saying "it was his labeling" doesn't help us figure out why or what it means......

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    Posted On:
    8/02/2007 1:53pm

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     Style: Taai Si Ji Kung Fu

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    All well and good ...

    ... except you did not use "internal" and "external" as they are commonly understood in CMA.

    You defined "indoor" and "outdoor" as they relate to distancing in CMA. In fact, 'PakSao Gei Noi Moon' - Don't slap the 'in-gate' (indoor) hand - is a HaoKuit (Ving Tsun KuenKuit) referencing the exact definition to which you speak.

    (Let's sidestep the discussion of how to interpret and apply this particular KuenKuit within this thread.)
    Last edited by Tom Kagan; 8/02/2007 3:16pm at . Reason: D'oh!
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Posted On:
    8/02/2007 4:13pm


     Style: Brazilian JiuJitsu, Wing

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    personally i think in the beginning of training its mostly external but as you grow as a maist you develope the structure ect.. and start to evolve yourself making the art more effortless which is internal to me
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    Posted On:
    8/02/2007 4:20pm

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     Style: Chinese Boxing

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    *shakes head

    .....and they wonder why wing chun has no respectability on this forum.
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    Posted On:
    8/02/2007 4:33pm


     Style: Brazilian JiuJitsu, Wing

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    what? my opinion is obsolute? not up to your usual standards? can a maist not grow? everyones so quick to judge an art they barely know why? because sigungs around the world argue over lineage? yall should see the way we train
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Chinese Boxing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fa Jing
    what? my opinion is obsolute? not up to your usual standards? can a maist not grow? everyones so quick to judge an art they barely know why? because sigungs around the world argue over lineage? yall should see the way we train
    Who the **** are you talking to? Try English mother fucker.
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Taai Si Ji Kung Fu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fa Jing
    personally i think in the beginning of training its mostly external but as you grow as a maist you develope the structure ect.. and start to evolve yourself making the art more effortless which is internal to me
    So, you are basically saying the art is internal, external, both, neither, *and* it doesn't matter - all at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fa Jing
    everyones so quick to judge an art they barely know why?
    That's a rather big assumption on your part, don't you think? The ironic part is IT IS YOU who just quickly judged the posters in this thread without knowing the first thing about their depth of knowledge of this art. And, you did it JUST BECAUSE you got answers which did not agree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fa Jing
    because sigungs around the world argue over lineage?
    My Sifu, Moy Yat, never did. He just told his opinion about an individual. He thought many people were ****. And, he also thought many were good. Those he didn't have firsthand experience with he had no opinion on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fa Jing
    yall should see the way we train
    Please. Do you have video of training sessions?
    Last edited by Tom Kagan; 8/02/2007 5:40pm at .
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Posted On:
    8/02/2007 5:42pm


     Style: Judo

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    The problem is a lot of Wing Chun people don't get punched a lot so it attracts a lot of pricks.
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