11/20/2008 11:35am, #71
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Brief Analysis of Chen Family Boxing Manuals by Jarek Szymanski
This is the closest thing I can find of Tang Hao (all of his works are in Chinese and to my knowledge, haven't been translated).
Anyway, the title is pretty self-explanatory. Here, connections between Chen Taijiquan and General Qi's 32 postures are made and analyzed.
11/20/2008 11:47am, #72
Sweet Jesus that's like an orgasm of awesomeness!
11/20/2008 12:02pm, #73Originally Posted by It is Fake
What's important is to be honest about why you practice martial arts in the first placeOriginally Posted by It is Fake“Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4
11/20/2008 12:31pm, #74
I'm really a nobody but, that was my experience. That's why I stayed at my McDojo for so long.
11/21/2008 5:36am, #75
Thank you. Terrific post.
Minor point, I know a Retired 4th Dan Full Contact Karate fighter, who was encouraged to learn the Internal Arts and eventually he dropped the Karate completely. However, his first love is...Xing Yi, and to watch him demo it is a wonder to behold. Mind you, I also gawp at his Chen, Yang, and recently got a glimpse of his Sun, Preying Mantis.
I know nothing...
Anyway, great article from Mr Cartmell so thanks for sharing. Really.
11/21/2008 9:48am, #76
Thanks but as I always say thank Jack for the first article that led to the idea. I personally get tired of the " well look at IIF" he thinks he knows everything. No. I don't but I have a ton of experience that is backed up by people who we all respect.
Jack isn't an asshole like me but, he still ends up in discussions of "but why train kung fu, it is outdated."
These are well established Kung fu and karate teachers. They are also posters that train different st6yles that have very similar mindsets. That is my main point with these articles. Sparring is necessary and kata=/=fighting among a few other things.
Oh and my favorite you don't learn how to fight from doing a form extra slow (20 minute Tai Chi forms).
11/26/2008 12:53pm, #77
Nice recent post from an Instructor who posts on this board.
Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist
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11/26/2008 10:54pm, #78
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saving this - :)
12/23/2008 3:12pm, #79
Here is a little exchange about forms and sparring from Tim Cartmell again.
Students learn about alignment and basic movement skills from the first day of class. They also start some non-cooperative sparring drills within the first week or two of training. Some students (with a little background) start sparring in a limited format the first or second class.
You could practice forms for a million years and you will never know if you are doing them with any degree of proficiency until you try to use the skills in sparring. The very idea of forms is to develop the attributes useful to fighting. How can you test the degree of development obtained from forms training? By fighting (or sparring realistically). Otherwise, you are only dancing.
Think about how you acquired any other physical/athletic skill. How did you learn to ride a bike? Did you practice the "bike riding form" without a bike for several years to perfect your "form" before you ever sat on a bike, or did your dad give you some pointers and then let you try and ride? You fall down, you learn from the error, and you try again. In a short amount of time, you can ride. You cannot correct your performance until you actually try and perform. Without realistic practice (which includes making mistakes) you will have nothing to base your training on.
The idea that you need to master "forms" before you can begin to actually practice a specific sport or skill would be considered ridiculous in any other physical endeavor (except "martial arts"). Imagine people who really need to know how to fight, soldiers for example. If you used the "perfect forms first" model of training, boot camp would last 30 years instead of three months.
If I hear a teacher forbidding live practice (realistic, non-cooperative practice and contact sparring) until the student has trained for months or years, my first thought is the teacher doesn't know how to fight himself, or he doesn't know how to teach others how to fight, or, he is simply marketing (dribbling out information as slow as possible to keep students on the hook).
All fighters practice conditioning. For example, stance keeping (Zhan Zhuang) IS isometrics. Tensing your muscles inappropriately makes you stiffer, not exercising.
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Our theory is that you learn forms and solo drills in the academy, but you practice them at home. There is no need to pay a teacher to watch you practice forms once you know them. So when you come to class, most of the time is spent on drilling or sparring with a partner.
My classes are broken down basically into one third of the time doing forms or conditioning, one third on technique practice and drills with a partner and one third sparring.
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Alot depends on the individual student, but, in general, sparring is introduced to beginners in rather specific and limited formats. I agree that having a new student glove up and spar full contact with few rules usually isn't the best training method (although you can learn alot about yourself in such situations).
If you reduce the variables to a limited area of focus, students will be able to concentrate on developing specific skills in a non-cooperative format, without feeling undue pressure. Making mistakes is a natural part of the learning process. The teachers job is to provide feedback, and present corrective methods of practice afterward (most often in a less stressful, more structured environment) so the student can work to correct flaws and improve performance. The more proficient a student becomes, the freer the practice can be.
It is impossible to correct a student that is never given the opportunity to make mistakes.
That's why I get perturbed at the whole to "deadly vs sport" bullshit.
If anyone wonders why I don't have an Omega post in here it's because, he has a thread that is good enough in the CMA forum already.
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12/26/2008 12:32pm, #80
At the risk of turning this into the Tim Cartmell appeciation thread, there's this:
Karl-Heinz: How long needs a student in your school to be prepared for competition?
Tim: Most of my students will begin to compete in BJJ and submission wrestling tournaments after about six months of training. About a year’s training is average before students compete in amatuer MMA events.
Karl-Heinz: Which of your students are sucessfull in competition and which titles have they won?
Tim: I have a large number of students that have been successful in grappling and MMA tournaments. Most recently one of my young students won the California State Pankration Championships in both the light-heavy and heavyweight divisions on the same day. Other of my students have won the BJJ Pan-American Championships, the Copa Pacifica de Jiu Jitsu, the BJJ California State Chapionships among other titles.“Most people do not do, but take refuge in theory and talk, thinking that they will become good in this way” -- Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.4