The Kukkiwon Cert. Fraud

***Omega Supreme*** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 2:12pm

Originally Posted by WhenTKDStrikes!

In any martial arts orginization to get rank you have to purchase it. Whether it be Jujitsu, Judo, Karate, Taekwondo you have to purchase your rank every time you test, especially black belt.

Your remark is most ignorant young Jedi. Many brain cells you must not have used coming to this conclusion.

**TKD Black Belt** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 6:53pm

Originally Posted by WhenTKDStrikes!

In any martial arts orginization to get rank you have to purchase it. Whether it be Jujitsu, Judo, Karate, Taekwondo you have to purchase your rank every time you test, especially black belt.

Exactly.

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**WhenTKDStrikes!** · Posted On: 8/04/2007 11:07pm

Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless

Your remark is most ignorant young Jedi. Many brain cells you must not have used coming to this conclusion.

How am I wrong? Even in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you have to buy your rank by paying the fee for testing or the new belt and certificate. You earn your rank by working hard but the actual certification costs money. You know the instructors cost and processing fee and paper work. Its just most mocdojangs of Taekwondo take advantage of this a TON and charge people 100's of dollars for a black belt test. The kukkiwon has the prices for each dan rank on the website and it is much much much cheaper than that.

**TKD Black Belt** · Posted On: 8/05/2007 1:04pm

Originally Posted by WhenTKDStrikes!

How am I wrong? Even in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you have to buy your rank by paying the fee for testing or the new belt and certificate.

Where do you train?!? I pay my fees (which cover the running of the club and a bit for my Professor and Team) and that's it. Stripes and belts are just given. The only thing above and beyond that is a cut of my purse for each fight but most fighters do that if not out of obligation than out of respect and thanks for time invested them.

TKD

**WhenTKDStrikes!** · Posted On: 8/05/2007 2:49pm

Originally Posted by TKD Black Belt

Where do you train?!? I pay my fees (which cover the running of the club and a bit for my Professor and Team) and that's it. Stripes and belts are just given. The only thing above and beyond that is a cut of my purse for each fight but most fighters do that if not out of obligation than out of respect and thanks for time invested them.

TKD

Interesting. I was mistaken about BJJ. So when you get rank in BJJ it is just given? Do they ever have a test? Or is it just given when the teacher sees you doing well?

I have heard in Judo there is different ways to get rank since I am really new to this martial art. I heard there are tests but if you can beat higher belt level people 3 times like at tournaments then you get another rank. In my Judo school rank is not really stressed upon and people don't care about it or talk about it too much. All though they do encourage you to achieve rank if you have the ability but its not the main goal. The main goal is getting skills.

**Fantasy Warrior** · Posted On: 8/05/2007 3:21pm

The point that might be going over your head, is that the difference between a kukkiwon accredited TKD blackbelt and a non-Kukkiwon TKD accredited blackbelt is the fee(s). As it happens I am neither, and of that I am glad.

**TKD Black Belt** · Posted On: 8/06/2007 5:39pm

Originally Posted by WhenTKDStrikes!

Interesting. I was mistaken about BJJ. So when you get rank in BJJ it is just given? Do they ever have a test? Or is it just given when the teacher sees you doing well?

- For the kids there is usually a formalized process but it isn't a 'every three months you test' type thing. More like every now and then enough kids are ready for a stripe or there is a seminar with one of the higher ranked professors. Then there is an opportunity for them to demonstrate their skills. I know that sometimes a purple and brown belt has a test and that there is usually a 'test' for a black belt but for the most part you just end up having a belt thrown at you..... (I'm good a ducking so I have managed to keep my white belt.)

TKD

**KenMasters** · Posted On: 8/06/2007 11:10pm

Unless your instuctor is an impesonal douche who treats you like a customer as apposed to a student, money isn't realy an issue.

**EternalRage** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 1:20pm

im in that database!

go me!

**Trubble** · Posted On: 8/14/2007 1:55pm

Originally Posted by WhenTKDStrikes!

Interesting. I was mistaken about BJJ. So when you get rank in BJJ it is just given? Do they ever have a test? Or is it just given when the teacher sees you doing well?

I have heard in Judo there is different ways to get rank since I am really new to this martial art. I heard there are tests but if you can beat higher belt level people 3 times like at tournaments then you get another rank. In my Judo school rank is not really stressed upon and people don't care about it or talk about it too much. All though they do encourage you to achieve rank if you have the ability but its not the main goal. The main goal is getting skills.

i've never paid for a stripe... and i have not heard of anyone paying for their blue belt or purple belt test...