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Old 12-22-2008, 12:28 PM   #221
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Choi Kwang Do, the delusion continues


All,

As a current instructor in CKD I'll throw my tuppence worth in.

First of all, do we all want the same from our martial art? The answer is no, we don't. Having done Shotokan Karate, TKD and now CKD (and no, I didn't transfer from TKD straight to CKD, there was a ten year gap of nothingness) I can speak with some experience (but no doubt not expertly) about the differences, the pros and cons. Knowing all the pros and cons in CKD it "suits" me to train in this martial art, it will not suit others for sure!

First I would like to say that CKD has many flaws, I know the majority of them (including all those posted here, the ones relating to GMC and Master P especially true!) but no doubt somebody could give me some I don't. Secondly, I would not like to diss any of the other art forms as I respect them for what they are and their deticated followers like I do my own.

Like all martial arts you will have the serious followers (dedicated, talented, sometimes egotistical, sometimes not) and those who just want the grand title of black belt (useless, no power, cr*p technique etc.) Sadly they all have those with large egos whether talented or not! And they all manage to progress through the ranks to black belt whether they are good or not. Ours is certainly no different, just more transparent about it I suppose!!

One thing I have noticed is that those in the martial arts only like to speak about their own as being the best and greatest. Only the top people at CKD speak like this, as rightly noted in this post, and sometimes those who have not done any other martial art. (undoutedly because they know no other to speak of).

Now down to the guts of it. CKD does NOT have the most powerful kicks or punches, my own kicks were far harder whilst training at TKD. Those who do have incredible kicking and punching power have usually transfered over from TKD. Some of the techniques in CKD have lessened the power of the kicks but questionably some of the hand techniques may be better. (again, this depends solely on the individual performing the techniques. I cannot speak for anybody elses ability bar my own) The stances are more practicle than the others I have done as its more akin to how you would normally stand when facing somebody in a fight.

The lack of sparring is a definate problem but the upside is we have no injuries. My pet hate back in Karate and TKD was being hit by somebody else with less control over their punches and kicks than I had. Although the down side of the sparring was that control sometimes led people to condition themselves to stop a kick or punch from hitting the target correctly, the use of boards helped to oppose that. The lack of board hitting in CKD is also a flaw but its due to somebody being sued in the states by a spectator who was hit by flying debris! I believe some places still use boards but don't admit it to HQ for obvious reasons.

Their is also the matter of no new techniques after 4th Dan, not sure why this is but I'm sure your ability to move up to or past 4th Dan is more to do with your ability to sell CKD than your ability to perform techniques. (hence why Master P is 7th Dan!!).

As a final note, I'm sure somewhere in this thread somebody speaks about CKD instructors leaving to set up their own art. That's very true and politics plays a very large part of CKD. This happens in all the arts I have come into contact with not just the ones I've practiced myself. Admittedly in CKD most people leave to set up their own schools due to the politics and money, far more so than other arts I know of. I myself researched setting up my own school and quickly realised that all of the ones in my area were just about breaking even, there is no profit! Those that broke away now make a decent living out of it and good on them for taking the leap of faith to do so. I ended up becoming an instructor at the school I trained with to provide flexibility for my own instructor to take holidays/train/work etc.

If anybody needs more information about CKD I'm happy to advise/discuss but not fight (forgive the pun) over who has the best martial art. After all that typing I'm off for a snooze!
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Old 12-28-2008, 09:15 PM   #222
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The lack of sparring is a definate problem but the upside is we have no injuries.
I dont get injured by playing xbox, but I wouldnt exactly call that realistic training.
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Old 12-29-2008, 11:22 AM   #223
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I dont get injured by playing xbox, but I wouldnt exactly call that realistic training.
You must not play enough. My thumbs are devoid of any feeling.
Try Wii boxing. At least you might get some cardio out of it.
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:24 AM   #224
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There are a few other good threads on the delusions of this style, but a recent article in Combat magazine (UK only???) deserves its own thread. I swear this guy is just begging for more attention by the likes of bullshido.


FULL CONTACT SPARRING.... AN ALTURNATIVE!

Can you guess what it is yet? ....



Premise: Full Contact sparring is bad. We don't do it because you get injured.
I walked into a Choi Kwang Do facility in Kennesaw, Ga. quite a few years ago and asked the Instructor/Salesperson about sparring. She said that there is no sparring in Choi Kwang Do because the moves are very deadly. I walked out. Ha Ha!
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Old 01-31-2009, 05:54 AM   #225
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If anybody needs more information about CKD I'm happy to advise/discuss but not fight (forgive the pun) over who has the best martial art. After all that typing I'm off for a snooze!
Hi numnuts! Welcome to bullshido
Thank you for your input and thank you for offering to answer questions.
I found this video on youtube of a CKD instructor teaching a private lesson to a ten year old blackbelt.
Now I'm gonna leave the kid alone because that horse has been properly beaten, but the instructor is laughable at best. He shows barely any martial skill himself, and teaching doesn't seem to be his forte either. No wonder the kid isn't getting it.
My question to you is... How well does this guy represent the skill level of the average CKD instructor? How do you compare as an instructor?
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:00 AM   #226
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Hi numnuts! Welcome to bullshido
Thank you for your input and thank you for offering to answer questions.
I found this video on youtube of a CKD instructor teaching a private lesson to a ten year old blackbelt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAUns3h6u9U
Now I'm gonna leave the kid alone because that horse has been properly beaten, but the instructor is laughable at best. He shows barely any martial skill himself, and teaching doesn't seem to be his forte either. No wonder the kid isn't getting it.
My question to you is... How well does this guy represent the skill level of the average CKD instructor? How do you compare as an instructor?
So, what you see is the instructor who went from purple belt assistant instructor to blackbelt & chief instructor in one week (he trained for over 50 hours, says periera) and then took over the Hamilton Mill school because he bought it from choi's daughter. Guy was a major duffus when he worked at Arby's next door to the Wade Green school. None of us EVER saw him work as an AI to get any experience in teaching. The hamilton mill school is closed down now, I hear. Anyway, the funny part is that he was also teaching the kid the first black belt pattern and teaching it incorrectly. Also funny is how choi's daughter, who had opened that school originally tried to sell it to a few other people for thousands less than she finally sold it to the guy in the video. Now, that's an example of paying for a black belt!

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Old 01-31-2009, 02:56 PM   #227
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Hi numnuts! Welcome to bullshido
My question to you is... How well does this guy represent the skill level of the average CKD instructor? How do you compare as an instructor?
Lots of ckd instructors are actually fairly good IN CKD. That says it all, right there, though. What the instructor in the video was doing was average blackbelt level ckd. Not bad. Not great. He got the cross step part correct but did a shittttty job with his kicks. As far as there being competent instructors, I think it's like any other martial art: some people are good teachers and some suck. Some good martial artists can't teach a kid to punch his way out of a wet paper sack. Others may not be world champions, but are excellent teachers and know how to train first class students who go on to win many competitions etc. Who knows how numnuts is. He or she probably doesn't know either but, since ckd students and instructors are trained to be arrogant egotists about ckd, he/she may never know.

Numnuts is right on one count, though. Everybody doesn't want the same thing out of their martial art. And yet I can't think of anybody who does anything other than yoga or tai chi who doesn't want to learn good self defence. It is the lie that ckd is the "greatest and most effective form of self-defence", kwang choi is the "greatest living martial artist", that ckd will cure all illnesses, that you are generally a dumbass if you do any other martial art, that those people who did other arts and then come to ckd WERE dumbasses but now they have seen the light of salvation... that is the main problem with ckd. Just quit being stupid and tell the truth.
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:06 PM   #228
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Hi numnuts! Welcome to bullshido
Thank you for your input and thank you for offering to answer questions.
I found this video on youtube of a CKD instructor teaching a private lesson to a ten year old blackbelt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAUns3h6u9U
Now I'm gonna leave the kid alone because that horse has been properly beaten, but the instructor is laughable at best. He shows barely any martial skill himself, and teaching doesn't seem to be his forte either. No wonder the kid isn't getting it.
My question to you is... How well does this guy represent the skill level of the average CKD instructor? How do you compare as an instructor?

amazing how the kicks he is teaching him look exactly like other traditional arts kicks as found in TKD and Karate. And that front kick into turning kick(roundhouse)classic bit of bill superfoot wallace chicanery.

what gets me is that despite all the marketing regarding them not locking out their joints in CKD this is exactly what he is teaching him.
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Old 02-01-2009, 03:29 AM   #229
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So this dude seems to think that if you dont get hit in training and dont learn how to deal with the fear of getting hit and testing your ability your going to win in a street fight. and by that magazine add you showed it seems that this guy is on a another planet who the hell does a jumping kick in the middle of the street like that its like every one who wants to attack you is going to jumping kick all the time all realy do it its insane and dumb and this what ever thing this guy created is a joke and the sad thing is it encourages more to do it like this one karate style kensukai i trained with them once it was a mcdodjo
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Old 02-01-2009, 03:36 AM   #230
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this is a knock off look on the magazine and look at the guy before he attacks hes using a karate stance and hes not during it well hes looks sloopy and not right
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