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  1. PirateJon is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeansberg
    I thought that was debunked.
    Pretty much. Rippetoe's rep chart may be instructive.


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    There are two circumstances that had me doing light weight with many long slow reps...

    1. Rehabilitating an injury as directed by a physiotherapist.

    2. Training lower body for cycling, under the recommendation of a physiotherapist.

    So, for specialized purposes, I think it could be valid. For general purpose, there are probably better options.

    There seem to be as many weight lifting regemins and "pet theories" as there are systems for beating the craps table or winning the lottery. Personally, I go for magic crystals to cover everything... http://mysticalsoup.com/crystals.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    What would his explanation be for the reason it's more tiring, and aches a lot more afterwards when I do it slowly with a lighter weight ? I'm not trolling, I'm a relative noob lifter and trying to learn.
    I can re-read that book and post some quotes - but basically he says since you have to lift with a lower weight you end up doing an endurance exersize. You don't recruit as many fast twich fibers as you would with a typical lift. This would explain the soreness and pain - you've really hit a portion of the muscle hard. But since it's only a portion (or percentage) of the muscle it's not as 'good' as lifting with proper speed.
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    What's the current position on slowing down on the negative portion of the lift. There is a lot **** written all over the net (short of chi) - for example, lift explosively, but count to 3 (or even 4-5 or some **** like that) on the eccentric.

    I've done that on occasions for the heck of it (and it's a bitch), but for the most part I don't do that. My workouts get way too long. Other than for (supposedly) improving endurance and the ability to perform an isometric contraction, or as a not-so-perfect replacement for negatives when you don't have a spotter, what other benefits if any going slow on the eccentric possibly yield?

    I would be inclined to believe (and I may be wrong in this) that one's ability to perform an isometric contraction would go hand in hand with increase in strenght and power, no?
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