7/24/2007 6:11pm, #11Originally Posted by gallantknight
19th century Japan had a lot of different jujitsu styles. Jujitsu had been the training of the samurai, but the long peace of the Edo period had turned it in many instances into an art form instead of a fighting art. The jujitsu styles which did spar were often plagued with injuries.
Enter Jigoro Kano, a young man from a wealthy family. Part of his genius was to see that sparring was the main way of developing skill in the art, and so he set about developing a jujitsu style that could be sparred with full contact frequently without incurring a high level of injuries. He drew techniques from a number of jujitsu schools; he was an accredited master of Kito-Ryu Jujitsu, and was also well trained in Tenshin Shinyo Ryu, but he borrowed greedily from all sources he could lay his hands on. He founded the Kodokan, the first and greatest judo school.
This. incidentally, is where the "watered down" accusation comes from, in that Kano stripped out a great many techniques that could not be trained full speed against resistance. However, the results speak for themselves. In challenge match after challenge match, the Kodokan overcame other jujitsu styles, the most famous being the battle with Yoshin Ryu for the right to teach the Tokyo Police Department in 1886. Much of this is documented in the Kodokan's records. Judo spread rapidly through Japan, causing many of the older styles to adapt judo into their curriculum or become minority interests. It then went on to spread across the rest of the world by a similar process, though in the West the challenge matches were generally against boxers and wrestlers.
Judo continues to be considered a strong art, and sees a fair degree of representation in MMA even given its tendency to focus on use of the gi. Judo competition matches have got shorter as its popularity has grown, and this has led to a reduction in the emphasis on and quality of submission groundfighting; however, it remains second only to BJJ in that regard and it's widely respected for its range of devastating throws.
7/24/2007 6:32pm, #12Originally Posted by Sophist
I remember reading something _I think_ translated from Kano to the effect that he removed striking because audiences found it too violent for the sensibilities of the time.
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7/24/2007 9:05pm, #13
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7/24/2007 9:23pm, #14
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7/25/2007 6:52am, #15Originally Posted by Cullion
(This link probably won't be operational for long, but linking directly to e-budo requires logging in; it's a Google cache of an e-budo discussion on this:
It's also worth mentioning that Kano's discovery of "kuzushi", focusing on breaking the posture first and then attempting the throw, was widely considered a feature unique to judo and a major factor in its superiority. The constant sparring was a large part of what made judo successful, but it also had a strategic edge (as did BJJ later with its "position before submission" mantra).
I can't really comment on the striking angle, save to point out that the training equipment was comparatively primitive, which may have been one factor, and boxing had largely cornered the market already.
7/28/2007 12:10am, #16
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They do actually spar and stuff, right? Does anyone know what the curriculum is like? I really can't garner all too much information from the site. Any help would be appreciated.
And now that I think about it, I do think it to be prompt that I learn Judo or BJJ (Though I don't really want to learn BJJ <_<) so yeah, that Judo advice is good. I think I'll try looking into that too, though I dunno how I'm going to manage two martial arts at the same time + school + working out + possible part time job. How do you guys do it? XD