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    The pressure testing (and I tried this a while ago) isn't just about "going hard", it's taking people out of their comfort zone.
    That's a point worth repeating. Pressure testing means more than just balls-out, full-speed aggression on the part of the "attacker". That's a necessary element in many drills, but different pressure tests have different goals.

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    True, but if your ultimate aim is to be proficient at applying your skills against an aggressive opponent then you must go "all out" - the key is progression to get to this level of contact

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    Yes, that's why I said that all-out aggression was a necessary element in many of these drills.

    The larger point is that if we just assume that "pressure testing = all-out aggression" then we miss the bigger picture of a progression of pressure drills, testing a range of attributes, leading up to all-out, aggressive scenario training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickcatcher
    ...is there such a thing as realistic gun disarms???
    If you mean a sure-fire technique with near guaranteed success over a number of occasions, I would guess "no". The chances of pulling off a gun disarm, regardless of the specific technique, are probably not high enough that you would choose to take that risk. Anyone with any sense will make that perfectly clear before teaching any gun disarms.

    That said, there probably are some techniques that give you some chance to successfully disarm a gun wielding attacker if he or she is close enough - and a better chance than if you were not familiar with any disarm technique at all. So, if you're convinced you are going to be shot if you do nothing, it might be worth making the attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lujke

    That said, there probably are some techniques that give you some chance to successfully disarm a gun wielding attacker if he or she is close enough.
    THAT is the key!

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    I looked at the initial clip and saw that the guy is someone who had only been training for a month in Commando Krav Maga.

    I've been to some of these classes and done a couple of their pressure tests. These are done at the end of the class and the instructor will fatigue your first by making you do lots of things like burpees, tuck jumps, punch out drills on the pads etc. Then you touch the ground and spin round to get a bit dizzy and then the pressure test starts. The idea is that you are tired and disoriented and have to see if what you can still do what you were drilling comfortably earlier on. It isn't about going toe to toe, it's about regaining the initiative when you've been jumped. Can your body remember what to do?

    This isn't going to get you anywhere but hurt in the octagon or a muay thai ring but it's not designed for that. The focus is on being able to get out of trouble and get away if you have to. In that respect, I found what I saw at CKM to be more useful than other classes I have been to.

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    In SCT we specialise in fatigue and pressure drills - that CKM is apallingly bad by comparison

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    I'm always on the lookout for new ideas What's SCT?

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    Subject Control Tactics - it's a cop thing!

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    Ah I see.

    As a cop, what would you recommend the average person learns for self protection and how should they train? Do you think unless you are doing full contact/NHB training then you can't expect to learn usable self protection skills?
    Last edited by Traceur; 8/14/2007 3:20pm at . Reason: I messed up

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