Thread: First BJJ class - any tips?
7/18/2007 6:00pm, #11
- Join Date
- Dec 2006
- between the moutains and some sagebrush
Eyes and ears open... mouth shut.
If your instructor is worth his salt he'll pick up on your experience real quick. No need to fall into the "well when I trained in so-n-so" routine.Amateur MMA record: 8-3-1
Pro MMA record: 3-1
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7/18/2007 6:01pm, #12Originally Posted by Zapruder
We had an interesting discussion over beers after class on Monday, talking about the differences between BJJ and judo ne-waza. I mentioned that it's taken me the last few years of not actively competing to work on my game from the bottom because of the training I've done. Now that I'm not preparing for competitions I "play" more in ne-waza. For a judo competitor trying to do a sweep from the bottom is a bad idea since if you get it you're not guaranteed anything (guy can probably catch a leg to hold off a pin or hold out the five seconds you get to work a sub) and if you miss you're being held down. I generally tell competitors in class not to try sweeps or any move from the bottom where you're letting the guy out of your legs (which stops them from scoring a pin). Not good ne-waza but smart for the judo rule set.
One of the interesting things from this method of training is my guard pretty much sucks. Against judo only players I'm fine and can do sweeps and armlocks but against BJJ guys I can't do much, especially if they're bigger than me. I find I actually prefer to give up my back, roll so my back is facing the mat and try to work out to half-guard and go from there rather than fighting from my guard. I'll let you know how that goes over tomorrow, LOL.
7/18/2007 6:11pm, #13Originally Posted by Judobum
This depends on how much mat space the school has: If you find yourself in someone's guard, or in any other position really, do not disengage, stand up, and back off, expecting your opponent to stand up. If you stand up, please be the guy that goes for a guard pass standing, and not the one that stands up out of mount "just to prove he could." If the club wants to do takedowns, then ignore this bit of advice, obviously.
Don't let yourself get caught up in "Well you might do it like this in Judo, but here's how we do it in BJJ," conversations, or vice versa. Do not be that guy that STARTS those conversations, either. If someone tries to play this game with you, deftly sidestep the whole conversation by scratching the back of your head, shrugging your shoulders humbly, and saying something to the effect of "Well, this is just my first lesson of BJJ. I'm here to learn."
Overall, just try to keep a low profile. Unless someone brings up your judo experience, don't mention in. If you're training BJJ long term, they'll find out soon enough.
Last edited by Cassius; 7/18/2007 6:13pm at ."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
7/18/2007 6:30pm, #14Originally Posted by Cassius
7/18/2007 6:44pm, #15
Originally Posted by Judobum
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- Apr 2005
- Seattle (Ballard), WA
This might be an excellent opportunity for you to work on your guard game. BJJ is very strong at this position obviously, and I'm sure you'll pick up a lot from working with them. Their groundwork is much more patient, and methodically technical. I'm sure it'll be a very good experience.
7/19/2007 11:52am, #16
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- Aug 2006
- San Carlos
You should probably be GIVING advice and not asking for it, with 20 years of experience in Judo. But since you are the kind of guy who asks, you will be the kind of guy who won't have problems. Character, more than any "gameplan," is destiny in this setting.
BTW, do they have "belt whippings" or running the gauntlet in Judo like they do in BJJ? Someone explain this brutish custom to him. Some schools do it on birthdays too, so don't EVER go to class on your birthday.
7/19/2007 1:32pm, #17
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- Dec 2003
- North Carolina
... belt whippings? I've seen birthday throws (everybody throws the birthday boy) done... but /whippings/?
7/19/2007 5:02pm, #18
Typical judo tradition is all the black belts throwing the birthday person. That's the current tradition. In the good old days we used to give you a good old fashioned pink belly on your birthday or when you got promoted. Regardless of how big you were you got taken down and belly slapped for about fifteen minutes or so. Hurt like hell.... ahhh memories.
7/19/2007 7:07pm, #19
Don't stall in pinning positions. I know Osaekomi is great in Judo, but try to stay active and moving to more dominant positions while doing BJJ and always look for the finish. Other than that - have some fun!
7/19/2007 9:49pm, #20
Just came back from class and I had a blast! It turned out to be no-gi but luckily the guy running it remembered he forgot to tell me that on Monday and brought me a t-shirt. No-gi is such a completely different animal then gi ne-waza. I figured it would be but the degree of difference kind of threw me.
I think I overheard someone describing me as rolling like a "wild boar". That pretty much sums up how I felt. I'm pretty strong and explosive and that really doesn't work very well when I don't have anything to grab. I never realized how much I'm used to using the gi for control until tonight. Rolling with the one girl in the class was pretty funny, went something like this:
Start on knees, I reach around her back
Her- Don't grab my rash guard please
Me - Sorry
She ends up in guard and I go to pass
Her- Don't grab the pants
Me - Sorry
Her in half-guard and me passing pushing her legs off my leg
Her- You're grabbing the pants again
Me - Sorry (outside voice) Fuuuckk (inside voice)
The other thing I found is that judo instincts really, really mess you up in BJJ. Whenever I get pushed onto my back and I don't have a leg (and sometimes even if I do) I automatically spin to my stomach to avoid being pinned. I realized tonight that that is about the worst possible thing to do in no-gi. Luckily I'm extremely good at defending RNCs though. Rolling with the instructer he tapped me in a RNC once and commented on how hard good my defense was for a judo guy. The other instructer tapped me with a triangle when we rolled and I didn't really endanger either of them at any point in our sessions.
The more beginner guys I could catch with superior positioning. I have pretty freakish balance which I used pretty well to float pass guards and once I had half-guard I could use kimuras and arm triangles to finish. I also caught one guy with an Ezekiel choke (the one Yoshida uses) which was pretty cool since I wasn't sure if it would work no-gi (apparently it does). My defense felt good but my offense sucks balls. My guard especially sucks balls. Without gi sleeves and collars to grab I was pretty much clueless as to what to do from there. Definately something to work on.
All in all it was a great experience and something I'm definately going to try to pursue. It was really disorienting for me. The best comparision I have is when I tried snow boarding. I'm a good skier and it seemed like it should be pretty easy to switch over. Definately not the case with boarding and no-gi was much harder than I thought it would be.