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  1. Askari is offline

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    Fang Shen Do II: The Fangshizzle

    I have asked the Bullshido Mods to allow me to insert an intro paragraph into this continuation of the first thread.

    Welcome to the growing Internet legend of Fang Shen Do - but it began here on Bullshido with a few simple questions about the legitimacy and strange practices of a kung-fu school in Canada called Fang Shen Do.

    Fang Shen Do (FSD) ostensibly translates as "Way of Survival" and is the creation of Jacques Patinaude (sJP) a self promoted martial arts 'Grand Master' or 'Sijo.'

    Over the years FSD has variously been known as Wing Chun Do, Modern Wing Chun and Patenaude's Kung-Fu.

    In the long threads you will find, links to where he purchased his rank - controversy around sJP's qualifications to teach anything other then Tony Robbins Firewalking and Arrow breaking. You will also find sJP's claims to have earned his original kung-fu rank from James DeMille (an original student of Bruce Lee), DeMille denies these claims. Oh and the thread also contains the usual flame wars, trolls and sockpuppets (but these are usually at least entertaining).

    My recommendation is to sit back, pour yourself a beverage of choice and enjoy a few hours of reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Ragno
    I agree that BJJ is one of the deadliest and accomplished forms of martial arts out there. I've actually attened a class in downtown Montreal called the Cultural Martial Arts Academy and was highly impressed. Like I said, most martial arts impress me. But if grappling and knee locks and elbow brakes are not my thing, then nor is this art. We all know that an accomplished BJJ martial artist can defeat almost anyone. We say the Gracies do it in the UFC and other mental martial arts competitions out there, all the time. But many of us don't look for the school that will send us out in to competition to win fights in a rink for all to see.
    I agree, I dont like watching fights at a rink either, if I turned up at an MMA event and a hockey game broke out, I would be pissed.

    Oh and 1993 called - they want their post back. MMA and fighting have been evolving at a phenomenal rate in the last 13 years. In dog years thats more then 90 years - a long time if you smell about it.

    Competition is a method to improve your fighting ability by placing you against an opponent who wants to win as much as you do. An opponent who doesnt know you from Adam, and possibly doesnt like you very much. These things make you a better fighter. Winning or loosing in the tournaments is a secondary consideration to putting it all on the line.

    Those that never compete will always be undefeated - will always claim that they would win easily - their kool-aid drinking friends will be the only people that believe them.

    A good solid cross-trained fighter who works wrestling/BJJ/boxing/MT etc will demolish the one-dimensional kung-fu fighter who thinks a wrist grab defence is grappling. Especially someone training techniques that were completely made up out of thin air - no proven combat effectiveness, merely anecdotal stories that prove nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Ragno
    In fact, it happened just last week. And no, he wasn't drunk or high, just a bully who messed with the wrong guy and highly regretted since I knocked him out so fast and left him bruised.
    So you are posting on an online forum that you assaulted someone, confession is good for the soul.
    "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't **** with me!"
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    5/06/2006 3:41pm

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    Press Release

    To all bullshitdo member:

    Due to popular demand and a curiosity by the public (through internet postings), Grandmaster (Sijo) J. Patenaude will be publishing his 5th book, detailing the origins of his martial art: FANG SHEN DO. The book is scheduled to appear under the title: Fang Shen Do; The True Story.

    For more information, please check this link:

    [EDITED: Commercial advertisement information can be found
    http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php...warticle&id=9]


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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSD Management
    To all bullshitdo member:

    Due to popular demand and a curiosity by the public (through internet postings), Grandmaster (Sijo) J. Patenaude will be publishing his 5th book, detailing the origins of his martial art: FANG SHEN DO. The book is scheduled to appear under the title: Fang Shen Do; The True Story.

    For more information, please check this link:

    [EDITED: Commercial advertisement information can be found
    http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php...warticle&id=9]


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    Management
    Can someone please address this issue of spam.

    TKD
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    Very well. . . .

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    Here it is..

    Ok, any of you that have them check out Larry Hartsell`s old grappling books, the ones with the lists of "concept" possible techiniques from the 80`s.... Bingo..there are all of your FSD techniques...in plain jane view..I kid you not..they are all there..pulled right out of the books....One of Larry`s own students pointed this out to a group of us the other day....most of them are out of the 'Entering to Trapping to Grappling" book the first one...
    my my my....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macte
    Ok, any of you that have them check out Larry Hartsell`s old grappling books, the ones with the lists of "concept" possible techiniques from the 80`s.... Bingo..there are all of your FSD techniques...in plain jane view..I kid you not..they are all there..pulled right out of the books....One of Larry`s own students pointed this out to a group of us the other day....most of them are out of the 'Entering to Trapping to Grappling" book the first one...
    my my my....
    How did Larry's student react to this? I imagine he would be pretty pissed...

    Ta Macte. Keep em coming!
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    pardon me..

    I should say --the grappling fsd techniques that is....
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    5/06/2006 6:22pm


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    well..

    Thing is they`ve known it for years but laugh at it..since most of that stuff was just to showcase how certain arts have a common thread, we still all rolled like crazy to find out what worked and what did not....apparantly all the stickfighting was taken from Vunak`s early vids..as well as the knife fighting...and from an Inosanto seminar they attended once as well....Paul knows this as well as one of his Full Instructors in Ottawa, but they don`t seem to care too much about it....Apparantly four years ago one of the fsd guys was runnign around Ottawa saying that the sifood was better and faster than Guro Dan as well, having sparred lower tier fighters myself from DBMA and come out with bruises and more than enough painful welts from the rattan I find this very hard to stomach...I had years of kali behind me at the time several years ago when this happened and thought I knew my kali, until I tried to make it work against the DBMA structure, the "holysh..." factor cut in rather quickly and it changed my entire game...It is obvious they have never been taken to task on these terms before..the horror stories of tire slashing and dojo intimidation run wild in Ottawa...too many of them..I can`t seem to get them to post here, I referred them to stringfellow though....
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    5/06/2006 6:53pm


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    Stringfellow??

    You out there Stringfellow, any new ex fsd`rs contact you at all???
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    Classic, Fang Shen Do - The legend continues. We now have a double length thread.

    I am seriously impressed by the information coming out in the last while.
    "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't **** with me!"
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