Tuhon Gaje studied various systems of silat while putting together the Dumog curriculum, as well as the native submission wrestling of the phillipines. It looks like Greco meets silat, just at a very very fast pace. (in the videos of the force recon marines praticing dumog material, there's very little jostling for position, they just sort of smack into each other, one gets the takedown and immediately locks in whatever sub or destruction he's going for. They train with super short time limits to discourage stalling).
Where is Pendekar when you need one?
Originally Posted by Naszir
Check out Pendekar Ray on Youtube if you want to see the real thing !!!!
Originally Posted by Naszir
Cimande, or Tji-mande. Any of the Javanese styles that starts with Tji is "The river style of...".
Usually, whatever follows Tji- is an animal of some sort. Tiger, monkey, bat, whatever.
Originally Posted by selfcritical
For The Record, my Silat teacher grew up in Java doing Silat, moved to Holland & did more Silat & Kenpo, and then moved to California and trained with Bapak Guru Besar Rudy Terlinden in Pentjak Silat Ratu Adil until Guru Rudy moved back to Europe in his elder years.
Out of all the Filipino arts I've shown him (mostly vids), he likes Tuhon Leo Gaje very much, says that his Pekiti Tersia looks alot like very good Silat, & very effective. He also likes San Miguel and Decuerdas Eskrima.
there are different kind of silat.traditional(exp;silat gayong), competition silat(exp;silat olahraga) and straightforward,good for self defence silat(silat hanafi,silat lincah) i suggest you to learn silat at its original place(recommendation:malaysia).most silat master(tok guru)are willing to accept foreign student and teach them everything they know.the reason of the effectiveness of silat is that silat is like an open source software.very flexible.you can find numerous of tkd,karate,jujutsu,kungfu(even savate and kali) in standard silat syllabus(this varies to the school,though)
i personally would rather fight a mt fighter than a pesilat. i am a malaysian and i know my logic behind my idea.my reason for not taking silat is because of its complicated,hard to remember bunga(form,like kata)
I'd go to Java. Just me.
Originally Posted by kid_1412
i personally would rather fight a mt fighter than a pesilat.
In sundanese language, word 'ci' means river
Originally Posted by Jim_Jude
Cimande is a sundanese style not javanese .
Tanah sunda or pajajaran is in Java island, but sunda people or 'urang sunda' have differences in culture, language n history
sorry for my bad english :icon_roll
Sorry. What's the difference again? Ci-, Tji-, Tjai-, "Water from a River"...
Originally Posted by oki27
Last edited by Jim_Jude; 9/15/2007 6:07pm at .
My two cents:
If you are here in the U.S.A., I don't think you could go wrong with someone from the Maphilindo blend that Dan Inosanto teaches. I would, however, caution you to find someone in the Inosanto circle with more than a casual interest in this portion of the curriculum. There are a great many of us that have focused on the Kali/Silat portion of Jeet Kun Do Concepts and I think there is merit to the Maphilindo stuff. If you are close to Dayton, Ohio, you should check out Asian Fighting Arts. The Sikal curriculum that Guru Ken Pannell offers is top notch and comprehensive. One of his senior instructors, Mike Casto, instructs in Louisville, Kentucky.
Make no mistake, Silat is a comprehensive, scientific and devastating combat science at its core. IMHO, most martial arts get esoteric when steeped in doctrine and like every other system of knowledge, one should attempt to glean the seeds of truth out of the doctrinal mess.
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