Where's all the Full-contact Kung-fu???

[Mut Sao]

I have no problem at all with people who just want to do acrobatic forms for the exercise, if that's all they claim to be doing.

agreed

[MartialArtN00b]

MartialArtN00b, neither of those first two videos you posted were of sparring.

Well, what exactly do you want?

I could just post instructionals from john wang, going from single form to judo applications. Sparring ends up not looking so different from poor man version of judo randori.

I use my interpretation of hung gar in bjj while we stand up spar, it doesnt look anything exotic. Typical judo techniques/ wrestling techniques.

Tim cartmells effortless throws are not exactly exotic either.

Deep down, we pretty much know what real sparring looks like, and it aint jet li.

[Teh El Macho]

Well, what exactly do you want?

Sparring clips. Those were pre-arranged demos and drills. Demos =/= sparring, not even light sparring. Same with drills.

I could just post instructionals from john wang, going from single form to judo applications. Sparring ends up not looking so different from poor man version of judo randori.

May I beg that you clarify that statement?

I use my interpretation of hung gar in bjj while we stand up spar, it doesnt look anything exotic. Typical judo techniques/ wrestling techniques.

Tim cartmells effortless throws are not exactly exotic either.

Deep down, we pretty much know what real sparring looks like, and it aint jet li.

I think Sophist is referring that those clips look like pre-arranged demos or drills. This is no different from a, say drill going from a triangle-escape-go for armbar-escape-go for triangle again, etc.

Sparring IMO is defined not so much for the intensity, but for the uncertainty in it. There is no pre-arrangement as in a drill or demo, which is what those clips where (independently of the skills of the people in them.)

My two cents from an outside observer.

[Mr. Mantis]

Mr Mantis, with all due respect, stop shitting up the thread with clips from cheesy kf flicks and post some sparring.

It's video therefore, it happened.

My lame attempt at irony has gone unappreciated.

And that clip is from "Unbeatable Dragon" that's good "cheese" a film that should be in any Shaw Brother's lovers collection.

[It is Fake]

I have no problem at all with people who just want to do acrobatic forms for the exercise, if that's all they claim to be doing.

Yep, we've (us kung fuers) have said this a million times.

I respect what modern wushu has done to preserve the forms for later generations. Yes, there are (especially in china) schools that actually do the original sets. Then you have the XMA made up stuff. Which IMO is no different than a gymnastics routine. The big difference, a gymnast isn't going to run around talking about using gymnastics to whip some ass.

There are articles all over the net of modern (competition) wushu's effectiveness in a fight. That is where my problems start.

[liokault]

Well, what exactly do you want?

I could just post instructionals from john wang, going from single form to judo applications. Sparring ends up not looking so different from poor man version of judo randori.
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You talking about J Wang from this thread right?


http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51001

The guys a fucking fool!

[MartialArtN00b]

Okay, i lost my post several times over some bug.

Elmacho, the second clip was called sparring by the people in the vid. So since i didnt see that much difference between clip 1 and clip 2, i assume they think its sparring.

john wang, the same as liokaults j wang, is a shuai jiao instructor. And personnally, i think that shuai jiao looks poorer than judo, hence why i refered it to poor man judo.

liokault, he is a fool in that aspect, but his instructionals of formwork->throwing application are semi interesting for the people that are still stuck on formwork-> striking, hence sparring== bad kickboxing.

[It is Fake]

liokault, he is a fool in that aspect, but his instructionals of formwork->throwing application are semi interesting for the people that are still stuck on formwork-> striking, hence sparring== bad kickboxing.

Clear this up. I'm getting 2 different points.

[mpark]

I've drawn a complete blank looking for clips of Hung Gar sparring recognisably as Hung Gar/Hung Kuen though. This surprises me. It's one of the most popular southern chinese, 'hard' styles there is, with a reputation for tough conditioning etc..

Can anybody help us out here ?

Here's some video from a Hung Gar tournament: http://www.tianwudao.com/forums/down...Gar%202006.mov. Warning: it's a big file (240M).

I believe it's from the tournament mentioned here: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35668

As for it being recognizably Hung Gar, I'll leave that to more knowledgeable people.
Multiple styles are represented. I assume some of the fighters are using Hung Gar, but I can't say for sure as I don't really know what HG looks like.

[EmetShamash]

I posted this in Strikestan a while back but I thought I should still represent for my style in what little capacity I can.

edit: apparently those videos are gone, but these are there now

From: http://www.tanglangmen.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GMXlPFk1Nc&eurl=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5S7ApSr4Eo&eurl=