Kuk Sool Won

**ToUnderstand** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 3:16pm

Kuk Sul Won looks cool IMO and it reminds me of noodles lol

**Lu Tze** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 4:34pm

Originally Posted by Errant108

This thread is seriously testing me on where to draw the lines in this forum.

Virus, stick to trolling the JMA forum.

Making fun of the faggy fans is great, and I've done it in the past, but let's at least try to give the OP some comprehensive answers before breaking into the "lulz cock suck one" jokes. So far, the only person to do so was Wolf.

Where do you draw the line though?

KSW is probably one of the most blatent examples of McDojoism and commercialism you can get. The art is completely made up, it's history is laughably fake. It includes everything but the kitchen sink in a cynical effort to attract lay students. You have to buy everything from them, from expensive uniforms to dozens of weapons. Cross training is banned. Gradings are every other thursday bring your credit card please. It has a cult like organization, over the top formalism and almost sychophantic worship of the founder. It's pretty much a representation of all the bad things about Korean MA.

If KSW doesn't deserve to be trolled, what does?

**ToUnderstand** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 6:05pm

LOL omg that sounds just like ATA hahahahahahaha

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 8/07/2007 9:32pm

Originally Posted by Lu Tze

Where do you draw the line though?

KSW is probably one of the most blatent examples of McDojoism and commercialism you can get. The art is completely made up, it's history is laughably fake. It includes everything but the kitchen sink in a cynical effort to attract lay students. You have to buy everything from them, from expensive uniforms to dozens of weapons. Cross training is banned. Gradings are every other thursday bring your credit card please. It has a cult like organization, over the top formalism and almost sychophantic worship of the founder. It's pretty much a representation of all the bad things about Korean MA.

If KSW doesn't deserve to be trolled, what does?

I agree with all of your conclusions, and say bring on the faggy fan jokes.

However, the goal of this forum is not just to joke around.

Take the OP seriously. Provide answers and educate.

And then make the faggy fan joke.

All of the things you described in your second paragraph are precisely the information that needs to be relayed. Give your opinion, your reasons for it. Add in your jokes and jibes as you go, keep things fun and funny, but don't just be an assclown and say "DURHUR FANS ARE GAY".

Basically....don't live down to the standard MAP and almost every other MA board has set for us.

**roycehellion** · Posted On: 8/08/2007 6:02pm

Originally Posted by Lu Tze

Where do you draw the line though?

KSW is probably one of the most blatent examples of McDojoism and commercialism you can get. The art is completely made up, it's history is laughably fake. It includes everything but the kitchen sink in a cynical effort to attract lay students. You have to buy everything from them, from expensive uniforms to dozens of weapons. Cross training is banned. Gradings are every other thursday bring your credit card please. It has a cult like organization, over the top formalism and almost sychophantic worship of the founder. It's pretty much a representation of all the bad things about Korean MA.

If KSW doesn't deserve to be trolled, what does?

while your correct alot of dojangs do treat there student like ATMs, if you fing a good school it can be really rewarding, esp as nothing more than an advanced aerobics class. as far as the art itself...its very weak until you obtain a higher dan rank, but if you cross train (my school encouraged me too) it can really help devolop weaker students combat skill ie children and young woman, but as far as helping in a real life combat situation against a truly challenging opponent, ive found that street fighting for 5 years will teach you more than kuk sool will. BOTTOM LINE (of almost any art form) avoid a mcdojo and cross train, if your really serious about learning combat skills.

**Lu Tze** · Posted On: 8/08/2007 7:14pm

Saying "if you find a good school" is being a little silly (you're kidding yourself), since the standards are set from the top down and all the things I mentioned are official KSW policy (as well as the fact you're learning a millenia old martial art that just happened to pop into existance in the fifties...).

A "good school" is going to do all those things, the fact that your school allowed you to cross train is an indicator it is a "bad school" by KSW standards.

**roycehellion** · Posted On: 8/08/2007 10:12pm

how can you say its a bad school when judged by what you call a bad standard, sorry but double negative went out with the overall ans chewin straw. analyze your arguement before you vomit out you ideas. in any case most school of traditional martial arts discourage student from cross training, and those with more traditional teachers, will drop you from the class if you cross train. if your not smart enough to distinguish between the bullshit and the useful in any art form then dont bother training, you wont even come close to gaining what the educated and aware practitioners will. Secondly, your correct 1000 year old styles shouldnt appear out of the wood work, but going back to my last response..."as far as the art itself...its very weak until you obtain a higher dan rank, but if you cross train (my school encouraged me too) it can really help devolop weaker students combat skill ie children and young woman, but as far as helping in a real life combat situation against a truly challenging opponent, ive found that street fighting for 5 years will teach you more than kuk sool will." those students who arent 8 or 80 and looking for a good aerobic workout, and are clear-headed enough to realize the inneficiency of many of the forms and tecniques, should be smart enough to know that if they really want to learn an art designed to destroy an opponent find something, else. for those of us skilled enough in h2h combat who do practice kuk sool enjoy it for reasons other than historical value. i like to fight, not brush up on my history. if your satisfied with your art form then thats all that matters. 2nd bottom line. a black belt in kuk sool will have a better chance of survivng a street fight that a kid who sits at home playing d&d or whatever kids do these days. its good exercise and has its strong and weak points. Thirdly if you are to truly become proficient in you must recognize that even the littlest white belt has something to teach you, why wouldt a white belt style like kuk sool have something also. Since you care so much about history and tradition y not study then the mind set of great martial art mastersfrom the past. some of who develped deadly styles from watching moronic monkeys swing in trees, and if im not mistaken isne it monkeys that throw there own feces? knowlegde can be found anywhere. grow up.

**Gnothi Seauton** · Posted On: 8/10/2007 4:49am

Hey Royce, dont you think it's kinda funny that Lu Tze is a self confessed Judo noob and a BJJ ultra noob and yet he knows vast amounts about Martial Arts?
Stick to reading comic books and magazines Lu Tze and your intelligence is gonna soar.

Lu Tze wrote

'you're learning a millenia old martial art that just happened to pop into existance in the fifties'

This obviously bothers you a lot. Please expand , Why is that?

My advice to you is 'Stick to what you really know' which at the moment is obviously zilch, train hard and one day you might be able to share something worth knowing.

Gnothi

**Lu Tze** · Posted On: 8/10/2007 8:02am

They're coming out of the woodwork now, I clearly know more about martial arts than you mate (you think KSW is 6000 years old?).

Please tell me which part of my post was incorrect? Which tidbit is not official KSW policy?

**ToUnderstand** · Posted On: 8/10/2007 8:21am

Originally Posted by Gnothi Seauton

Hey Royce, dont you think it's kinda funny that Lu Tze is a self confessed Judo noob and a BJJ ultra noob and yet he knows vast amounts about Martial Arts?
Stick to reading comic books and magazines Lu Tze and your intelligence is gonna soar.

Lu Tze wrote

'you're learning a millenia old martial art that just happened to pop into existance in the fifties'

This obviously bothers you a lot. Please expand , Why is that?

My advice to you is 'Stick to what you really know' which at the moment is obviously zilch, train hard and one day you might be able to share something worth knowing.

Gnothi

Kuk Sul Won is teh fakeness, its just prettyfied Hapkido. Plus even if it was real i wouldnt want to learn it because those trained in the "Court/Royal martial arts" sucked pretty bad because they let Queen MyongSong R.I.P. Get killed and mutilated. Or maybe the Japanese assasins were actually Ninja's from naruto.