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Posted On:
7/14/2007 1:49am
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OK dude, I'm not an expert on this, by any stretch, but pivoting your knee out while pushing forward with your foot just strikes me as anatomically weird. Maybe someone more familiar with this sort of kicks can correct me, but putting sideways strain on the knee just seems dumb; it's not built for it and you could probably hurt yourself. Again, I'm not all that familiar with push-kicks, and if I'm wrong, by all means, correct me. You DO however, seem to get more power out of it with the turned foot, but why would you do a forwards push-kick anyway, especially without the heel for impact? I mean, you'll be seriously off-balance if the opp doesn't just give and back off like you're banking on when throwing a kick like that. Cue: *BAM!* punch to wherever the hell they want, and you're probably keeling over at that point because you've got one foot at their chest and the other pivoted away on the ground... awkward.
BTW, I've not had knee trouble with snapping kicks, but we don't use front snaps for anything but warmup, really. Round kicks all the way, and even in that, the snap isn't the major source of power. I've found that snapping at air, however, is quite bad, and wouldn't suggest doing it. You need something to hit if you want to snap with power, or you'll hyperextend and it'll suck for you. Furthermore, kicking air does diddly **** for your kicks, so why bother? Get a partner and some kicking pads or Thai pads or w/e, and belt a few good ones out. Heavy kicking bags work too, but I don't like them as much.
On your last point, hips are STILL very much the major source of power in snap kicks! That much I know for certain. If you don't put your hip into it, it won't be too much more than a slap with your foot. Don't be lazy and kick like you mean it! Then again... I wouldn't use the front snap in sparring anyway, but to each their own. -
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Posted On:
7/14/2007 12:18pm
Style: BJJ/C-JKD/KAAALIII!!!!!!!--
Front just determines the direction, not the technique.
Originally Posted by cyril
Snap is the technique, and truthfully, it's not that great of one as it can seriously screw up your knee.
Sounds like they've got you doing Muay Thai teep kicks. Originally Posted by cyril
Uh...what?!? Originally Posted by cyril
I'm not sure what you mean by this, just because I can't see it, but rotating of your foot allows your knee to rotate, which allows your hips to turn over. So, yes, rotating your base foot a degree allows you to get more power into it. Originally Posted by cyril
In a side kick, your base foot should rotate so your heel is pointing at the opponent.
Yes. A front push kick will knock people on their asses. Kicking without putting your hip into it is like punching just with your arm. Originally Posted by cyril
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7/14/2007 6:01pm
Style: Bajillion Joo Jizzu--
Wait so you do front kicks without pivoting at all on the base foot? Originally Posted by cyril
In TSD MDK as well as MDK TKD, I was always taught that the power in your kicks comes from the hip. When you rotate that foot on the front kick, it gets the hips behind it. The chamber would bring the foot up and prepare the hips, and then the rotation of the foot and thrusting of the hips would extend the leg.
I think they are doing Chil Sung Ee Ro Hyung here - looking at the guy in the front, he's got his bottom foot totally 90 degrees rotated, which gives him the hip power to thrust his kick out. And it doesn't necessarily end up as a push kick - the faster you drive your hips, the faster your leg goes out.
It's not really a rotation of the hips either, not like a roundhouse kick, they're just putting their hips behind their chamber and using them to drive out the foot. Do it any other way, and you're kicking in a line from the floor to the target, with mostly leg muscle.Does the rotation of the hips provide that much more power to this relatively weak kick, or does is this just a stylistic thing that the teacher has been taught?Last edited by EternalRage; 7/14/2007 6:08pm at .
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7/14/2007 6:09pm
Style: TKD, BJJ--
What you are describing is called a thrust kick.
It is different from a snap kick and is commonly taught in ITF Schools.
Its actually more of a stomp than a kick. You are supposed to thrust your hips forward while extending the leg. The striking surface is the ball of the foot (below the toes)
The reason the foot is turned out is to give stability for the posting (support leg). You also get power from the rotation. It isnt very good for the knee though.
However, it will knock someone for a loop. The target area is usually the solar plexus or upper groin area.
I use the frequently during sparring to stop a charging opponent. -
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7/14/2007 6:24pm
Style: Bajillion Joo Jizzu--
Well, that really depends on how fast you thrust and retract your hips. Could easily be a snap if you do it fast enough. Originally Posted by oldman34
Since the penetrating power is greater due to the hip thrust, it's also good to use to dig under the rib cage on the side.The target area is usually the solar plexus or upper groin area. -
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7/16/2007 1:45pm
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If you don't pivot your bottom foot, even on a regular snappy front kick you're either going to end up going onto your toes on your supporting leg (bad) or crunching up your body (bad) to compensate for the fact that humans don't normally bend that way.
And the thrust/push kick isn't bad for your knee at all if you do it right. -
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7/16/2007 2:37pm
Style: Hapkido--
We do something similar in my hapkido school, we call it a push front kick. We don't actually "snap" the leg but we throw it relaxed and let our hip generate the force. Turning the back leg allows you to release it and vastly increases your range. I find this kick has very little stress on the knee as long as its released forward, not upward.
Generally we don't throw this above waist height and it's very practical in sparring if you target your opponent's front hip, because landing it and pushing causes them to fold at the waist presenting their head for a following punch, kick, knee etc. You can also use it to collapse a front knee backwards, but that could really limit your choice of sparring partners.
I've seen Muay Thai guys throw a similar kick, but usually to the chin or face, I think it's considered a major insult if you throw it at someone, probably because it's an instant takedown if you are slow or miss. Tony Jaa does it in Ong Bak here (00:59):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9u-U...elated&search=
but to me doing it that high just spells takedown, unless you filming a movie...
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Posted On:
7/13/2007 12:25pm
Style: No-Gi BJJ
TKD: Proper Front-kick/Snap-kick question