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  1. featherdusterrr is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/12/2007 6:53pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    Seattle, WA: World Martial Arts & Health, GM H.T. Yun - Does it look like bullshido?

    I recently signed up for this school (Seattle, WA)
    http://yunsmartialarts.com/

    While i've been happy with the training and the grand master technique, i have questions like:
    - What style exactly is being teached, see the forms desciption here, it does not seemt o match any particualr style(is that bad ?):
    http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/neo0/adwhite.htm

    It seems mostly TKD based but i guess customized.

    I can see the Grand Master is definitely a gifted MA and teacher, though i can only judge through the JUJitsu techniques he showed since i practiced that in the distant past(green belt).

    What do you think of the school in general from what you can see ?

    Thanks.
    Last edited by featherdusterrr; 7/13/2007 5:32pm at .
  2. BFGalbraith is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/12/2007 7:16pm


     Style: Tai Chi,BJJ,knife-dueling

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Well, If I understand correctly, there are TKD guys out there trying to reform, recreate, rediscover, or otherwise append TKD to make it an effective martial art (as there are martial artists doing this will all kinds of "traditional" martial arts.) But dude, it IS TKD, meaning that it probably sucks, just as if it were karate or kung fu it would probably suck, not that there aren't great Karate and Kung Fu fighting schools out there.

    Knowing that odds are it sucks, what reasons do you have to believe that it might be good? Do they do something that looks similar to real martial arts to you, like you might see on a Judo mat or in a Kickboxing ring? Do they do contact sparring? Continuous sparring? Compete? The main thing in a striking martial art that I look for is: do they do full contact continuous sparring where kicking with the shin to the opponent's upper-leg is allowed?

    If not, it sucks, and you need to go check out http://www.seattledojo.org/ or http://www.judochampions.com/ , unless you have a M U C H better idea of what exactly it is you want to be studying in martial arts. (In which case there are lots of good schools in Seattle: MKG, AMC, etc.)

    The Seattle Dojo is $20 per month (plus uniform and $50 per year judo registration.)
    Last edited by BFGalbraith; 7/12/2007 7:19pm at .
  3. featherdusterrr is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/12/2007 7:22pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Well it is different that what i did before for sure.
    I was doing judo/jujitsu in France as a teenager and really like it, that was plenty "hands on", people flying all over :-) and very interesting and physically demanding.
    As far as this school here , it's more like TKD, so at first that was a turnoff, but now i see it as a plus.
    Judo/Jujitsu make you know how to fight close range / fall correctly, throws and locks.
    TKD seem to teach me better to protect my head correctly and longer range combat.
    I see judo as a better defensive art and TKD as more aggressive i guess.
    I would have went to a Jujitsu class if i could, but i did not find any that could fit my schedult (close to downtown Seattle at lunch time), i have kids and also play Ice hockey so i can hardly change that schedule.
    I'm fine with their program i guess (multiple arts).
    Last edited by featherdusterrr; 7/13/2007 5:32pm at .
  4. BFGalbraith is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/12/2007 7:55pm


     Style: Tai Chi,BJJ,knife-dueling

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Judo/Jujitsu make you know how to fight close range / fall correctly, throws and locks.
    TKD seem to teach me better to protect my head correctly and longer range combat.
    I see judo as a better defensive art and TKD as more aggressive i guess.
    MKG has some classes that would combine striking and grappling around noon:
    http://www.mkgseattle.com/page.asp?content_id=7145

    MKG is not too far from downtown if you have a car or some extra time for the bus:
    http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...te=wa&zipcode=


    If you want to learn "real TKD" you need to go to this karate school:
    http://www.kyokushinseattle.com/
    But MKG will fit your schedule better and will teach you aggressive striking techniques just as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by featherdusterrr
    that was plenty "hands on", people flying all over :-) and very interesting and physically demanding. As far as this school here , it's more like TKD, so at first that was a turnoff, but now i see it as a plus.
    I solemnly warn you and forewarn you that martial arts without this kind of full contact training that your French Jujutsu school had are useless, and teach bad habits that you would not have without any training at all. Since you say your TKD school is without this kind of training, my official opinion as per your original question is: "bad, do not return to this school unless you need to cancel some kind of contract with them."
  5. featherdusterrr is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/13/2007 12:17am

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I said the french school WAS full contact, well it was judo/Jujitsu so not as much kicking obviosuly, but still.
    As of the curent school, i did not do anyhting full contact yet, but as a white belt that doesn't bother me. I believe in learnign a technique first before applying it, otherwise you might just injured yourself by not doing the right thing.
    Other students at the school DO full contact things (higher belt tha me), foam nunchacku and stuff.
    It's ok for now i guess.
    I'll see later if i want to stick with it or not i guess.
    for now i guess it will do.
  6. featherdusterrr is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/13/2007 1:32am

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    To get back to the subject (the school) what ticks me of, is the school is said to be 30+ years old.

    Yet i can find nothing whatsoever on google about the school (except their own site).
    No reviews, no threads in this forums or another popular one, no group messages .. just nothing at all, for a school this odd i just find that very strange.

    They have pictures in the dojang of the black belts over last 30 years, there are maybe 50+, so i just don't get it that i can find no info anywhere from somebody who went there.

    Anyway if you DO KNOW something about the school good or bad please let me know here (or PM me if you rather not publish it).

    Preferably somebody who knows the school or "heard things"rather than an unfunded opinion.

    Thank you vey much.
    Last edited by featherdusterrr; 7/13/2007 5:33pm at .
  7. Steve is offline
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    Posted On:
    7/13/2007 2:03am

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I've driven by there many times, always looked dodgey to me.

    They used to have big pictures of kids proudly asserting their new found confidence, like a wall mounted Yellow Pages ad. I hope it has changed (doubt it), haven't been by there in quite awhile.
  8. Ryno is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/13/2007 11:56am


     Style: FMA, Jujutsu/Judo/SAMBO

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    Do not be dazzled by belt rank. It doesn't always mean a damn thing. Just take a look at what you want to get out of a martial art, and choose your club accordingly. Do you just want to get in shape? Do you want to learn how do defend yourself realistically? Do you want to compete? Do you want to learn about the cultural/historical side of a martial art?

    Depending on what you want will help you make a decision. With that being said, I'll reiterate the need for any self-defense to be trained realistically, with contact. Some clubs that I'd recommend in this regard would be:

    Steve's Shorin Ryu Matsumura Kenpo club, which is in Ballard/Crown Hill. Traditional karate, but with realistic sparring and a good attitude. http://www.matsumurakenpo.org/

    Keith Hill's Kyokushin club in Seattle University. Hard full contact karate. http://www.kyokushinseattle.com/

    LESKAS Seattle (one of my clubs) for Filipino stickfighting, and general self-defense www.leskas.com We share space with Steve's club on their off nights

    Aaron Fields' Seattle Jujutsu/Seatown Sombo. (I train here as well) Aaron is an awesome Judo coach, with experience in various grappling forms. Throws plus lots of groundwork and submissions, and very strenuos practices. http://www.seattle-jujutsu.org/ University District
  9. featherdusterrr is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/13/2007 12:06pm

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    Thanks a lot for the links, i ahd missed some of those during my research.
    I feel like i was a little to fast to sign with this school, but at this point i feel like i'm learning so i'm gonna stick to it for the 6 month i guess and then see what i want to do.

    I actually had idenitified http://seattle-jujutsu.org/ (near my work) and http://www.meridianjujitsu.com/ (near my home) as the best potential schools (well for what i am looking for anyhow)

    Because of my current schedule work + young kids plus ice hockey, it would be difficult for me to attend evening class (i'm serious about my sports, if i do it, i want to do it 100%, not once in a while).
    So i was looking for a lunch time class within a reasonable distance of downtown.

    It's sad that i have to base my choice on that schedule though.

    I would have liked Seattle Jujutsu, from what i read about the School and heard about the Instructor / teaching i think that is what i'm looking for, but it seem they have only evening class ... ho well maybe i can try to rework my schedule .. but i have the familly to work with :-)
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    Posted On:
    7/14/2007 3:03pm


     Style: Tai Chi,BJJ,knife-dueling

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    Quote Originally Posted by featherdusterrr
    I said the french school WAS full contact, well it was judo/Jujitsu so not as much kicking obviosuly, but still.
    Yeah, that's what I was trying to say, if a School isn't full contact like your Jujitsu school was, it sucks, NO MATTER WHAT THE STYLE. In other words, decent* martial arts education MUST always include full contact continous sparring. (*By decent I mean worth while. Most martial arts schools in the USA aren't full contact and are a waste of time and money, and actually teach bad self-defense habits that are worse than no training at all. Contact sparring ( &/or wrestling on the mat) is what you have to look for in Martial Arts schools in the USA.)

    Basically, if you want to learn TKD-style moves, you need to do something classifiable as "Kickboxing." For example: Sanda or San Shou = "Chinese Kickboxing", Muay Thai = "Thai Kickboxing", Savate = "French Kickboxing", Kyokushin Karate = "Japanese Kickboxing", etc. In my opinion the type of kickboxing most like TKD is Muay Thai though Kyokushin is more closely related culturally.

    Other students at the school DO full contact things (higher belt tha me), foam nunchacku and stuff.
    It's ok for now i guess.
    I'll see later if i want to stick with it or not i guess.
    for now i guess it will do.
    Just so you know, this is what R E A L TKD/Karate looks like:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhDlAYEXUbs

    notice they are hitting each other hard, alot, and it's NOT just FOR blackbelts, check out the yellow belts here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f4Kx5TznFI

    If your school's sparring doesn't look like that, find another school. Sparring is VERY important at the beginner levels. Schools that teach a lot of forms at the beginning and only do sparring in the advanced stages are known to have very poor sparring in the advanced stages. If you school does not have this kind of sparring, it is NOT "ok for now I guess." Don't go back unless it does have this kind of sparring.

    There's a karate school in Bremerton that requires students to sparr with kickboxing students as part of their blackbelt test, and to pass, the black-belt-to-be must survive 2 rounds (6 minutes) without getting knocked out. This means that in this Karate school the black belts are about as good as a 3 month kickboxing student. Ironically, this is MUCH better than most karate, Kung Fu and TKD schools in the USA, who don't even have that much (kickboxing test) quality control over their advanced students.
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