7/13/2007 2:28pm, #11
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Yea what i've been doing lately is grabbing my pant sleeve with my left hand and there's plenty of pressure to force a tap there even without locking it behind my knee, but the worry is always what if I'm not wearing a gi, and also that leaves me with an arm tied down holding the lock (but maybe that's not a bad thing if the other guy is about to tap).
And honestly, losing weight won't really help me. My legs are all muscle. Big burly muscles. I'd have to lose that muscle in order to thin up enough to do a triangle without having to pull on my pant sleeve or leg
7/13/2007 3:16pm, #12
There's a sloppy, but brutal alternative if you can't get the triangle closed properly:
Get into the approximate triangle position - one arm and head between your legs. Cross your ankles above his head. Reach around your legs with your arms, grasp your hands behind your knees. Squeeze the knees, extend your feet.
Use this only as a fallback if you really need to win, not as an excuse to stop working on a proper triangle!There are no wrong threats, only wrong answers. (Strategy game truism)
7/14/2007 12:03am, #13
I have short legs myself. I was basically unable to pull off a solid triangle my first two years of training until a brown belt showed me a few tips. Now it's probably my strongest sub while in the guard.
First, check your angle when applying the triangle. When you have short legs, it's usually beneficial to have even more of an angle than most people need. By this I mean if the centerline from your head to your feet isn't OUTSIDE of the forty-five degree angle formed by a line drawn from his head to his shoulder, then you probably don't have good position for the sub.
The old school way to correct this while sparring is to grab the ankle behind his head with an overhand grip, (DO NOT grab your toes) first, then release the figure four and push off on his same side hip with your other foot in order to get outside that forty-five degree angle previously mentioned.
edit: Keep his head low by pulling down with your hand on your ankle while doing this or he will posture up and escape.
Second, the angle helps with moving your foot, the one behind his head, till it's practically touching the far side of his head, almost to his far ear. This should allow you to open that same knee downward toward his lower back till there is a small triangle of open space between his head and the back side of your knee joint. You should then be able to lock the proper figure four if you follow these steps because the increased angle and 'downward knee' help you trap the smallest amount of neck and arm possible while still retaining good choke mechanics. This proved to be the key that led to my increase in success with regards to the triangle.
Last edited by jnp; 7/14/2007 1:28am at . Reason: massacred my original postShut the hell up and train.
7/14/2007 1:36pm, #14Originally Posted by jnp
I've talked to my coach about it before, and he seems to think it's fine, but I thought I'd share this minor detail with you anyway. Any thoughts?"No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
7/14/2007 2:54pm, #15Originally Posted by Cassius
In an explanation like mine above, I try to leave out my stylistic details and stick to the basics. Plus I imagine your coach knows more than I do.
One note: Last night I changed 'slide the foot behind neck as close to the far side of his head as possible to make the triangle of space' to 'slide the the foot toward his far ear and open the same knee downward across his back to make the triangle of space'. You can obtain the triangle of space between the back of your knee and his head either way, but I think moving the knee downward on his back is a little bit harder to pull off.
7/14/2007 8:28pm, #16Originally Posted by jnp"No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal