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  1. wetware is online now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    It wasn't very far away.
    According to this, the cornwall was about 10 knots or 12ish land miles away from the RHIB (Rubber Hull Inflatable Boat) that was captured. 12 miles is a LONG way on the water.
    http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/...ediaFile.27810

    The top speed of the Cornwall is about 30 knots.
    http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.1560

    That's 24 minutes to get there at full throttle, by my math.
    Edit: 20 minutes. Been a long day.

    According to some further reading it seems that the Cornwall wasn't closer because of shallow water, but the Cornwall also has (at least) one Lynx helicopter, which aren't exactly slouches. I wasn't able to find a specific number for the Cornwall, but the Royal Navy's web page says the type 22 Frigates have lynx helicopters, plural.

    http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/server.php?show=nav.2371

    I'll admit that I don't know much about range and responsiveness of radar, much less naval radar.

    Additionally, according to multiple reports, the HMS Cornwall didn't know it's RHIB had been captured until it had already been escorted to Iranian water.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    Because they arrived very quickly and 'interdicting' the boats would have provoked a firefight which would have had the british personnel either caught in the crossfire of, or if after the capture, the british vessel would have had to fire at small vessels which had their own personnel aboard.
    Again, you can't really go all that fast on the water.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    Because they were outnumbered with guns pointed at them.
    Eh, that one I can't argue with. I suppose when you look up and the Iranian boats around you decloak to aim in on you there isn't much you can do.
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    Fighting back would have gotten those soldiers and likely many others killed. The commander on the RHIB did the right thing. Iran wouldn't kill those soldiers, because that WOULD instigate a retaliation, and they wouldn't want that.

    There is the possibility that the boat was on the wrong side of the water. Just a possibility. I'm amazed the POW's were so cooperative with their captives. But who am I to say, without being in a situation like that, they did fine. They didn't make things any worse, and the entire world would dismiss anything they said while captured anyways. If they were at war with Iran, that might be different.

    I say let them sell their ****, AFTER they are released from active duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whorian Gracie
    I can't say that I wouldn't be on the floor crying like a blubbering bitch if I was captured and in their situation. Anything above that is aces in my book.
    Very valid point. Although ideally they would have not have been as co operative with their captors as theyu were, thats easy for anyone who wasnt there to say.
    I imagine I would have been whining away myself and looking for the first available suicide opportunity.

    But this line is a bit worrying:
    "complained to the Daily Mirror that his guards called him "Mr. Bean" and that one of them "kept flicking my neck with his index finger and thumb," causing him to weep with terror"

    There may well be more to this than has been reported in the article, but there is something fundamentally ..... wrong... with that passage
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    I do have a question though... why were these guys so close (maybe over i dont know) to iranian waters without heavy backup ready to hand?

    Sounds like complacency to me.. I imagine it wont be repeated tho
  5. Lu Tze is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by colonelpong2
    I imagine it wont be repeated tho
    This is the repeat.
  6. wetware is online now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lu Tze
    This is the repeat.
    Something similar happened in 2004, if I recall...

    Here it is.
    http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle....html?napage=1
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    Quote Originally Posted by wetware
    Something similar happened in 2004, if I recall...

    Here it is.
    http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle....html?napage=1
    Good point! I forgot about that, i remember reading it in the papers way back
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    There but for the grace of God go I..

    Still, I thought it was weird they seemed to turn patsy so fast.
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    The Lynx was away to refuel AFAIK at the point when they were captured, the Iranians must have been waiting for the Lynx to stop it's air cover of the patrol, the CO should have told the boat patrol to **** off back to safety at the same time and not been such a chancer. He should have his balls booted for putting men under his command at risk like that.

    If you see footage of the servicemen before their release you can spot the marines and more experienced matelots by the fact they are not trying to be nice to their captors and look pissed off, but resisting interrogation is a learned behaviour like many other things, it's like fighting, if you have never been hit and only pretended before you don't know how you will react under the pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwoww
    Isn't taking a prisoner of war on a false pretext, y'know, an act of war?

    Shoulda just bombed the **** out of the palace in Tehran.
    Typical American :tongue5:
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