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  1. Bullwhip is offline

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    At first I saw "Brothers, help, please" I thought you were in trouble or something. lol
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    It looks like you're trying to squat the weight up rather than deadlift it. Your knees are really bent, moreso than necessary IMO. You don't need to make it a SLDL, but you could probably do better with more pulling and less squatting. That Deadlifting 101 video you sent me talked about that, and by changing my style (I used to deadlift just like you) I added about 80lbs to my max.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emevas
    It looks like you're trying to squat the weight up rather than deadlift it. Your knees are really bent, moreso than necessary IMO. You don't need to make it a SLDL, but you could probably do better with more pulling and less squatting. That Deadlifting 101 video you sent me talked about that, and by changing my style (I used to deadlift just like you) I added about 80lbs to my max.
    On the other hand, the .gif on exrx.net quite clearly shows a squat-like ass-to-calf deadlift. Unless of course my memory is failing me again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullwhip
    At first I saw "Brothers, help, please" I thought you were in trouble or something. lol

    I thought he was Hulk Hogan for a second.
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    Different peoples' bodies work differently. Ideally your legs and back should "arrive" (be fully extended) at the same point in time but there's really nothing that wrong with your form.
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    Holy crap thats insane. Your form seems to be ok. It could be that your muscles were taxed from the day before. I know when you workout you always want to blast through lifting more weight doing more reps and what not, but sometimes you feel sluggish and can't get through a weight you normally have no trouble doing. when that happens sometimes its best to lower the weight to complete the set. A number of factors may contribute to not being able to complete the lift. Sleep, diet, dehydration, motivation.Take what I say with a grain of salt as it seems to me that you know what you're doing.

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    OK, here is my still learning myself thoughts on it.

    There was no front view so I don't know where you are gripping, I now do a grip just where the knurling meets the smooth( staying on the knurl though). I used to grip at the "marks", gripping closer helps but I can't see how you are.

    Next, are your arms straight? They seem to be a little bent rather than fully extended. I was told not to contract the biceps (no curling the bar motion) as it allows you to put less forc on the bar. Plus it is an easy way to tear a bicep. Let the arms hang straight.

    Also, you seem to fully extend the legs before your back, so at the top of the lift you have no more leg drive, it becomes a SLD. Try to do more of a unified motion so the back/legs pull the entire time. What really helped me was when I was told to "**** the bar", yes, throw the hips through and make love to the bar baby!


    These are all just little nuances I noticed that I at one time did also (and still do a bit I suppose) that you might want to look at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwoww
    On the other hand, the .gif on exrx.net quite clearly shows a squat-like ass-to-calf deadlift. Unless of course my memory is failing me again.
    Yes, but I imagine that the guy on exrx.net isn't 5'6 like El Macho is. He's a lot lower to the ground, and really shouldn't need to get down that low to successfully execute the deadlift. If you let your knees bend the absolute minimum that they need to bend to keep a naturally arched back (the upperback can round a little, just not the lower back) while keeping your arms flexed (not bent), you'll be able to pull more.
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    Emevas, I'm gonna give the "pull more than squat" a try. To be honest, I'm trying to find the best position possible. Today I went to the gym again, and I tried both forms (more squatting and more pulling), with lighter ways - no problems with either. With heavier weights, I'm hitting a sticking point, and I can't tell precisely where it is. I don't think it's at the bottom, but I may be wrong :eusa_thin

    Oh, and good observation dude. I never considered my height a factor. It has to be, and it has to dictate how I perform the lift. Thanks. :thumbsup:

    I will need to use straps (ugh!) as nervesian suggested and see how it goes when I try again this Sunday.

    LI GUY, my grips were around the knurls, just outside the smooth. I didn't notice (until now that you mentioned) that my arms weren't straight. My left arm looks a bit flexed, but I wonder if it's because I was using a supinated grip with my left with my right pronated. I need to make a note of that.

    demonhanzo, I could be over trained. Typically I use my Sundays to work leg presses and squats with my g/f, and I did several heavy leg presses before deciding to deadlift. My deadlift day is usually only DLs (or bench presses followed by DLs).

    To be honest, I'm tremendously tired, exhausted. Good workout, but I'm drained. I don't think I'm gonna lift until Sunday (and just a bit of "cardio" on Saturday"). I am dead :dead:

    I really appreciate your help guys. This has now become an obsession and a goal :) I truly feel I can lift that amount and perhaps more. I just need to find a smart, efficient way to go about it.
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    Posted On:
    7/04/2007 7:36pm

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    Yeah, height (along with arm length) plays a factor on deadlift form. The closer you are to the ground, the less you need to squat and the more you can pull. It's why I wear wrestling shoes, to get as low to the ground as I can without squatting.
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