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  1. Dr. Fagbot Q. MacGillicuddy, PhD is offline
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    I just found out yesterday that I have mild degenerative changes throughout my cervical vertebrae and two bulging discs, one of which is impinging on my C7 spinal nerve and rendering my left arm slightly retarded.

    I had hoped I had just irritated the nerve through overuse - the first symptoms were muscle spasms in my chest and tricep immediately after a 16-round boxing sparring session, three weeks after I added a bit of grappling to my training (I was helping a friend get ready for a match against a guy with a kickboxing background by getting in the cage with him a few times a week, and trade I got to work out with his team). The doc made it sound like the end of the world - no MMA, jits or grappling ever (I was just getting started and really enjoying it) and possibly no more boxing or kickboxing.

    I'm doing PT and traction twice a week for four weeks and he's going to reevaluate, and in the meantime he said at most I can work kicks as long as the shock doesn't aggravate my stupid nerve.

    A friend that does rehab and physical therapy looked over my MRI results and told me that the doc was probably emphasizing the worst case so I'd take my PT therapy seriously (guess a lot of people blow it off) and not try to train through the pain (why he's afraid of that I have no idea - I can't even do a single push-up, much less sleep through the night). My friend said the kind of degeneration I have is pretty common for a guy of my age (38) and lifestyle (high impact and stupid), and I should be able to ease back into boxing and kickboxing in a few months, as long as I don't jackass around or skip PT.

    Frankly, at this point, I'm bummed. And in a lot of pain, around the clock. Anyone care to lay some affirmation on me? Anyone have any experience with this stuff and be able to rehab their way back to fighting? Anyone care to share recovery times? Any insight as to whether the grappling is definitely a no-go, forever and ever?
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    I had a protrusion of the C3-4 disc. The doctors were just as serious as Fagbot's - NO lifting, driving, stretching forward, and DEFINITELY NO JUDO.

    18 months later I still get pain if I stretch the wrong way, tingling if jerk it suddenly, and all sorts of seemingly random jolts and aches.

    It's possible I'll have the weakness for life, and the side-effects (muscle weakness, etc) will certainly take some time to get over. I still can't lift my son normally, or for an extended period.

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    DAYoung... THAT WAS NOT THE TYPE OF SUPPORTIVE, POSITIVE RESPONSE I WAS ANTICIPATING.

    I'm sorry for resorting to all-caps, but I'm a little emotional right now.
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    Can't you just, like, hang from a chinups bar with a bunch of weight strapped to your feet and shake around until you feel a 'click'?
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    Keep mocking me, tai chi boy. Physical therapy looms, and soon my discs will be bulging with devastating muscular power. And then you'll be sorry. Oh ho ho, will you ever be sorry. (Gong sau.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Fagbot Q. MacGillicuddy, PhD
    soon my discs will be bulging
    There's your problem right there.
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    I have on two occasions in the last year experienced extreme pain right at the bottom of my lower back (it actually feels like it's in the coccyx rather than the back) accompanied by sciatica in both legs so bad I can barely walk except to shuffle with a weird gait.

    The first occasion was caused by trying to increase the weight on my deadlift by too high an increment. The second occasion was caused by bad form doing high-rep kettlebell swings (leaning back at the top of the movement). In both cases the pain and sciatica only came on after my body had 'cooled down'.

    I never sought medical attention and in both cases self-treated by taking anti-inflammatories, then the next day getting warmed up by doing some cardio on a cross-trainer and then doing my Tai Chi form.

    When I did this, the bending, twisting stretching at the waist in the form caused quiet snapcracklepop noises from my back, and when I'm done, the pain was gone, as if the stretches had untrapped something and let it ping back into place.

    Am I doing something retarded which is concealing a deeper, more serious injury ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Fagbot Q. MacGillicuddy, PhD
    DAYoung... THAT WAS NOT THE TYPE OF SUPPORTIVE, POSITIVE RESPONSE I WAS ANTICIPATING.

    I'm sorry for resorting to all-caps, but I'm a little emotional right now.
    Sorry. I'm very bad at expressing myself.

    What I really meant was: "You're Batman. Batman takes knocks but comes back fighting. And he's...like...cool."
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    Am I doing something retarded which is concealing a deeper, more serious injury ?
    Quite possibly. But you mightn't be paralysed for at least a decade.
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    Mine was degenerative, to match my degenerate nature. Had old ladies in walkers moving faster than me for 11 months.

    L5-S1 11mm bulge, after drugs, degeneration L4, L5, & S1.
    The rack, Epideral (sp.), PT all made it worse.

    Had 4 screws put in.

    Anterior/Posterior Fusion L5-S1 Laminectomy L5, back the first of Oct last Sept.

    11 months without a gym gained 30 Lbs. and it is damn hard to take it off. @#%&

    Sigh... I live vicariously through J-lau
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