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  1. Omega Supreme is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Meh, I have by guys do it sometimes to simulate the scramble.
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    Posted On:
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    I see that aspect of it, however in the DZR thread that started all of this that was the only way they initiated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
    I see that aspect of it, however in the DZR thread that started all of this that was the only way they initiated.
    WOW. More lies from Umpa, who'd figured that. LOL.

    Here is the excerpt from the thread you are talking about:

    My very first DZR class taught at a club in my local university after learning to fall, my instructor paired me with a 120 blue belt girl (I was 6'4" 280lbs at the time and had wrestled a little in high school) for some back to back. She wound up choking me out in about a minute and a half. It was AWESOME! We spent a solid half or more of every class doing randori or back to back.

    He clearly says that they spend a solid half or more of every class doing randori OR (yes, it's an OR) back to back.
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    Posted On:
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    The statement "X or Y" is true if either X or Y is true. This school could start back-to-back for 100% of their sparring and the "or" statement would still be true.

    For the record, I've never seen people start back-to-back at a school that had more than a half-assed grappling curriculum.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuma-Gorath
    The statement "X or Y" is true if either X or Y is true. This school could start back-to-back for 100% of their sparring and the "or" statement would still be true.

    For the record, I've never seen people start back-to-back at a school that had more than a half-assed grappling curriculum.
    Yes, logically if X was true 100% of the time and Y was true 0% of the time, then the statement X or Y would be true 100% of the time.

    BUT, do you every say, we either spar or I shoot him in the head, carry his dead body to the river and dump it? Not unless sometimes you actually do shoot him in the head, carry his dead body to the river and dump it. It's common sense.

    Geneally speaking people don't give options unless those options are true at least some of the time. Come on man, you knew this before you posted you just wanted to be a smartass.
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    Posted On:
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    Having people start back to back might be good for a change.

    I routinely have beginners or people whose breakfalls are iffy start grappling from their knees.

    I don't need a newbie botching a breakfall, hurting themselves and being gun shy. Especially with high impact throws.

    A long time ago, I was told the plethora of breakfalls in judo is to get people over their fear of falling NOT because you'll use each one. My experience bears this out seeing as I haven't done a "breakfall" in the strict judo sense during grappling as long as I can remember. But things like tucking the head, not flipping out because I'm falling and exhaling on impact - that happens automatically.

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    We did that back-to-back **** in the bujinkan, therefore it sucks.
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    Posted On:
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    Only seen the back to back during Judo newaza randori.

    Other than that... I never found it really worthwhile.
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    Posted On:
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    I've only seen the back-to-back in judo newaza maybe twice. It's been predominantly from the knees facing each other (just like the typical rolling in BJJ), and less frequently from tachiwaza or from a pin (or flat belly down.)
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