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  1. Wolf is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haze33
    O Sensei [SIZE=-1]Ueshiba was told he was crazy when he developed a system of combat that never used any form of strikes, and that he used ntohing but his opponents own momentum and power against them. But we all know how effective Aikido can be. So before you start critisizing anytthing, look into it. Watch it practiced, take a few classes your self, do some true investigating. Then you can make an informed judgement based on the truth as you percieve it.
    Ummm.... You're trying to defend your position by telling us Aikido is effective? Wow, you REALLY need to lurk a lot more before posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doucherocket
    O Sensei Ueshiba was told he was crazy when he developed a system of combat that never used any form of strikes, and that he used ntohing but his opponents own momentum and power against them. But we all know how effective Aikido can be.
    You couldn't have at least used Kano w/ Judo here? fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haze33
    Ok first things first, ki chuan do a real translation Ki = Energy (japanese), Chuan = Fist (Chinese), Do= The way (japanese), and To answer the translation of 'Ken' in japanese is a shorthand way of saying sword, as in Kenjutsu (The art of the sword), or Kendo (The way of the Sword).
    Secondly how can any of you bash on a system if you've never seen it performed? If someone walked up to you and said "I practice a style of martial arts that can kill someone with one kick, strike someone with so much power their heart stops or they lose control of their bowels and my legs and arms can with stand even the strongest of blows." sounds a little far fetched, but then if they told you it was Muay Thai, you'd have to give them a bit of respect, because we've all seen the effectiveness of true Thai fighters.
    Every new martial art sounds a bit radical because they are trying to get people to train in it.
    O Sensei Ueshiba was told he was crazy when he developed a system of combat that never used any form of strikes, and that he used ntohing but his opponents own momentum and power against them. But we all know how effective Aikido can be. So before you start critisizing anytthing, look into it. Watch it practiced, take a few classes your self, do some true investigating. Then you can make an informed judgement based on the truth as you percieve it.
    As far as this particular style and what I've seen of it, the ideas and methodology they teach and use are effective. It is based on ideas and principals that very closely resemble a cross hybrid of the russian martial art of Systema, Tai Chi Chuan, and Pankration. The ideas of movement and body sensitivity they practice are devestating to most forms attacks and watching the grandmaster take down a very accomplished cage fighter (who remains nameless), and one of the instructors take on a High ranking BJJ stylist (who will also remain nameless) in his own element and win with seemingly little effort does speak volumes about the authenticity of Ki Chuan Do. The only problem I have with the style is how lethal it is. They don't play the self defense angle, they play the kill your attacker angle. Which in war type environments is fine, but common street protection, and dealing with use of force laws and what have you can land a lot of them in jail. Considering they start training with killing blows and manuevers off the bat.
    This is the first time we have seen claims like this on bullshido. You'll have to give us some time to digest your words so that we can comprehend their magnitude, realise the error of our ways, and send our most trustworthy members to the dojo to establish rapport and report back on their good findings so that we too can join your illustrious clan of vicious, nameless, fameless tomato cans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haze33
    O Sensei Ueshiba was told he was crazy when he developed a system of combat that never used any form of strikes, and that he used ntohing but his opponents own momentum and power against them. But we all know how effective Aikido can be. So before you start critisizing anytthing, look into it. Watch it practiced, take a few classes your self, do some true investigating. Then you can make an informed judgement based on the truth as you percieve it.
    As far as this particular style and what I've seen of it, the ideas and methodology they teach and use are effective. It is based on ideas and principals that very closely resemble a cross hybrid of the russian martial art of Systema, Tai Chi Chuan, and Pankration. The ideas of movement and body sensitivity they practice are devestating to most forms attacks and watching the grandmaster take down a very accomplished cage fighter (who remains nameless), and one of the instructors take on a High ranking BJJ stylist (who will also remain nameless) in his own element and win with seemingly little effort does speak volumes about the authenticity of Ki Chuan Do. The only problem I have with the style is how lethal it is. They don't play the self defense angle, they play the kill your attacker angle. Which in war type environments is fine, but common street protection, and dealing with use of force laws and what have you can land a lot of them in jail. Considering they start training with killing blows and manuevers off the bat.

    No striking in Aikido? That's rich. Ever actually see a film of Ueshiba, or do you just hang around with the bunny hugging hippy types?

    Having personally seen the grandmaster sitting down and eating hero sandwiches while making occassional ax hand motions in the air, while a group of roughly 70 people worked out, as well as seeing one of the high ranked chi kuan do stylist quickly develop a bleeding nose demonstrating his effective defense techniques, and based on your astute observations and descriptions of variuos martial arts, howzabout we take everything you say with a large grain of salt, like maybe a salt lick?
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    I actually like some of the Ki Chuan Do movement drills, but -

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    Wow, you REALLY need to lurk a lot more before posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by attackproof.com[1]
    Other excuses that I've heard as to why we don't teach folks to kill within the system (generally from senior officers and Sergeants Majors) is the old refrain that if they taught such techniques that there is a fear that [soldiers in a branch of the military] would be apt to use them out on liberty against civilians, I've even heard some [a branch of the military] officers spew this nonsense as well (as an aside, notice that it is generally Officers that say these kinds of dumb things and not our enlisted men, hmmm... I guess you have a different opinion on this sort of thing when you're the closest dog to the sled).
    Not just too deadly to spar, it's TOO DEADLY TO TEACH TO SOLDIERS. They'd become unstoppable killing machines, too powerful for the fat cats in Washington to control. Take that, The Man!

    [1] http://www.attackproof.com/teaching-...rs-to-die.html
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    Posted On:
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    Wasn't there a longish thread about this, in which the KCDers actually invited some people here to try them, and then Fatty Fatty Waddlefuck rescinded the invitation when it appeared that people might actually show?

    UPDATE: Ah yes, here it is: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8912
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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR
    I actually like some of the Ki Chuan Do movement drills, but -
    So do I, but that doesn't make it the be all,end all martial art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdnronin
    No striking in Aikido? That's rich. Ever actually see a film of Ueshiba, or do you just hang around with the bunny hugging hippy types?

    Having personally seen the grandmaster sitting down and eating hero sandwiches while making occassional ax hand motions in the air, while a group of roughly 70 people worked out, as well as seeing one of the high ranked chi kuan do stylist quickly develop a bleeding nose demonstrating his effective defense techniques, and based on your astute observations and descriptions of variuos martial arts, howzabout we take everything you say with a large grain of salt, like maybe a salt lick?
    hummmmmmmmmmmm....

    I seem to remember that seminar, oh wait, it was at Carl's seminar in 2002!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLINT
    hummmmmmmmmmmm....

    I seem to remember that seminar, oh wait, it was at Carl's seminar in 2002!

    C.
    Hmm, wasn't there something about bumpercars that year?
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