6/29/2007 4:03am, #1
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How Long Till I'm Be Able To PWN Newbs With Judo?
I have done about 8 months of BJJ, and while sparring, the fight got to the feet (standup, clinch).
At this exact point I realised that I knew little or no takedowns....
The guy i was sparring with also seemed like a fish out of water, but he was able to take me down by unbalancing me and using brute strength....
So with this blatant chink in my game I am seeking a Judo school ASAP....
What i want to know is how long will it take before I am able to pwn my BJJ class mates (or just) people with no stand up experience?
Those who do BJJ know that after about 4 months of consistent training will equip you with enough skill to control/submit anyone with no ground experience.
But how long with Judo (training 2X a week)?
Please only comment if you actually know or take up Judo
Last edited by veedub; 6/29/2007 4:06am at .
6/29/2007 4:30am, #2
It does take substantially longer to build enough stand-up skill to compensate for size differences. Initially, you'll probably learn to avoid being taken down faster than you'll learn to take people down.
Beyond that... body type will play a role, as well as how soon you find a throw or two that work for you. I've known judoka who've been terrifying against the untrained with only about six or eight months of judo. Others I've known have taken a couple of years to have something click. Try everything you can.
6/29/2007 3:58pm, #3
For Judo standup everyone is different. Like Sophist said, for some people it just clicks, for others, it doesn't. Just stick with it and you will do well sooner or later.
6/29/2007 4:02pm, #4
6/29/2007 4:28pm, #5
The thing that might help you out is to understand that each throw that you are shown will be just a basic version of that particular throw. Your body type, the opponents body type, your speed (etc.) will all figure in to how the throw is modified to work for you. That isn't as dificult as it makes it seem though. It just means that you need to find out what makes that throw "yours". Over time you will find that throws that you think don't work just need a little more understanding. Practice is the key to getting it all figured out.
One important thing to consider as you are just beginning, when your opponent is in motion, there is a throw that will work. Stationary opponents will just counter. Figure out how to "walk" your opponent.
As far as how long, six months you should see a real change in your standup game if you practice, practice, practice.
6/29/2007 5:00pm, #6
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veedup, why don't ask that question to your bjj instructor? Most BJJ instructors have a background (or have cross-trained) with wrestlers and/or judoka. Where I used to train the BJJ instructors would train Judo throws and breakfalls twice a week and 50% of the sparring starts standing.
Your bjj class should at least be teaching the fundamentals of double and single leg takedowns, sprawls and clinch stuff on a regular basis. Ask (your instructor) and you shall receive.
In the event that you decide to cross-train in Judo, the first thing you need to learn is to breakfall. Being thrown sucks, it hurts, and the rate of injury can be greater than in BJJ (specially if you are reckless and careless.)
Also, you shouldn't be training Judo or Wrestling just to pwned your peers. You should train to make your training more well-rounded. Don't go learning throws and then use them on training partners than don't know how to take a fall. They don't know how to breakfall, and you can easily hurt somebody if you are an spaz.Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.
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6/29/2007 7:49pm, #7
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6/30/2007 7:41am, #8
He just wants to find some 'trick' so he can tap pr beat some people. If his goal isn't to improve his overall game, then he isn't going to get very far. We were doing alot of stuff in our bjj class last week that I would bring to my judo class. It is like going into an escrima class with a .45. I
t's fine if your opponent knows you are going to try new technique, but to spring new stuff on someone can get someone hurt. I mean, look what he rote. He doesn't want to compete at a new or higher level, he wants to beat up people who don't know better. Since you are all noobs, if you can't get your technique to work, practice harder.
6/30/2007 12:13pm, #9
Here's a good trick: Learn to grapple instead of worrying about beating people with less experience."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal