Quick BJJ question BACK TO BACK

**aegismaster** · Posted On: 6/28/2007 4:21am

Hello there,

I have trained in submission fighting and kickboxing for about 2 years now and when we did back to back ground sparring we were told that you could post 1 leg, but not stand up. fair enough.

Now.

I have recently changed schools and now am at a gracie BJJ school, but, a few times i have done back to back sparring with the blue /purple belts there and sometimes when i catch them in something, they just stand up.

which throws me completely.

My question is, what are the rules of back to back? Can you stand up or not?

I am confused.

Thanks
Aegismaster

**Das Moose** · Posted On: 6/28/2007 4:49am

a)I have no idea why you still call it back to back, the "start back to back then spin round to see who's fastest" type of sparring you did is pointless and every BJJ school I have heard of starts on the knees facing each other...

b)There is no rule about not standing up. Standing up is a valid and effective tactic in many circumstances, e.g. passing the guard

EDIT: Also, if you're in the UK you should come to the Belfast Throwdown

**aegismaster** · Posted On: 6/28/2007 4:54am

Well, Like I said quite plainley. without bravado, I've only just started there.

Thanks for the info though.

Not ready for a throwdown yet, hence trying to improve my goundgame at gjj.

**Das Moose** · Posted On: 6/28/2007 5:20am

Originally Posted by aegismaster

Not ready for a throwdown yet, hence trying to improve my goundgame at gjj.

Why does everyone assume a throwdown is like a big tournament that you need to be prepared for.... its just a meetup with sparring. And if you've done kickboxing and sub fighting for 2 years you're more than prepared.

**Nate1481** · Posted On: 6/28/2007 5:45am

Aegismaster, where in the UK are you based? 2 years of kickboxing is way more experience of nay thing 1/2 decent than I has @ my 1st TD, if nothing else its good fun.

**Red Sauce** · Posted On: 6/28/2007 5:56am

Originally Posted by Das Moose

a)I have no idea why you still call it back to back, the "start back to back then spin round to see who's fastest" type of sparring you did is pointless and every BJJ school I have heard of starts on the knees facing each other...

Just to add to this - the whole back to back thing is how the Japs favor it when doing newaza randori, your right it does end up being "who can spin round fastest" just like how on the knees facing eachother often becomes "who is the bigger/strongest"

I havnt seen to many BJJ comps but ending up both on your kneesface to face doesn't happen in Judo, does it in BJJ?

SO I think there both as bad as eachother - okay once in a while, but not how I prefer ground randori.

**aegismaster** · Posted On: 6/28/2007 6:10am

@ nate1481

Leeds.

Looks like we're neighbours Nate.

Still, I doubt I can make it to Belfast. Getting married next month and saving for the big day. Maybe in a couple of months when I feel a bit more comfortable on the ground.

What are the throwdown rules?

**aegismaster** · Posted On: 6/28/2007 7:00am

It seems pretty difficult to ask a legit question.
I won't bother again.

Thanks for all your help.

**Das Moose** · Posted On: 6/28/2007 7:09am

Jesus aegis don't have a hissy fit. I'm not even sure what you're pissed about.

And Red, you have an excellent point, starting on the knees is unrealistic. It's just been my experience that when guys do back-to-back, as soon as the coach calls "go" they just spin round and the fastest pins the other. Whereas when we start on the knees in BJJ theres far more of a feeling out process. Ironically what's starting to happen to me a lot is, I stand up in an attempt to get top position and my opponent stands up with me, resulting in a far more realistic takedown contest - which I actually prefer.

**aegismaster** · Posted On: 6/28/2007 7:42am

Sorry,

The top of the page says this

"You have been detained as an enemy combatant in the war against Crappling. The interrogators and dogs will be with you shortly. "

and my post has gone.

That's what I was pissed at.

I thought it was a pretty legit question, so I asked it.
People in other parts of the forums ask stupider questions.