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  1. haykuro is offline

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    Posted On:
    6/23/2007 9:39am

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    Quarry Stone Break Test

    70 year old grand master, Kwon, Jae-Hwa breaks quarry stone..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1jLiaP-D0U
    Heres a quick documentation on the break, available from the official website
    http://www.taekwon-do.de/kieselstein_en.php

    A quote from the page
    "By the fail try the force measured upon impact to the stone - only 1,5 Milliseconds after impact, was more than 10,000 Newton (one ton). By the successful power test Grand Master Kwon only needed to apply 6,000 Newton of force for the stone to give."
    Last edited by haykuro; 6/23/2007 9:41am at .
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    Posted On:
    6/23/2007 9:42am


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    I asked Haykuro (my adoptive newbie) to post this here as I asked him for some demonstrations of his TKD and he showed me this; I don't really know anything about breaking, having never done it myself. Please respond civilly -

    Do you think this is of value to fighting ability?

    Do you think being able to break a stone like this will result in being able to severely damage a human?

    And so on.
  3. haykuro is offline

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    6/23/2007 9:49am

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    The highlight points from yesterdays discussion between me and mark were:
    Me:
    It teaches how to execute a powerful strike.

    His responce:
    But a board is nothing like hitting a person, it uses a different technique.

    Me:
    True, but after we learn to have a powerful strike, we work on dummys and bags to build proper technique.

    His responce:
    Then why not just work on bags instead of breaking wood

    Me:
    Wood is like a measuring tool, used to see how much damage one can cause with a strike.


    these are just the vital points of the conversation
    Last edited by haykuro; 6/23/2007 9:52am at .
  4. Tangent is offline

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    6/23/2007 2:02pm


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    Hmmm....

    Well, the merits of breaking are widely debated. From what I was taught, breaking is sort of the ultimate refinement of a technique. Certain breaks cannot be broken unless your strike is very close to technically perfect. I do not, however, think that practicing breaking makes anyone a better fighter, and I don't think that breaking is a good measuring tool for how much force can be delievered.

    Rather, I should say that it is a good measuring tool for such a thing, but the results don't actually matter regarding fighting ability.

    The reason why is because a factor that has a huge impact on how hard your strike connects with your opponent is timing. When you break a board, timing is not a factor, so exerting force with a strike has as much impact on your fighting ability as how much weight you can bench - if you can't do it against an opponent, it doesn't matter.
  5. Das Moose is offline
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    6/23/2007 4:49pm


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    I guess the way I see it is, if you want to do breaking for fun as a trick, cool, fire away.

    I just dont think it has anything to do with your striking ability.
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    6/23/2007 4:56pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Das Moose
    I guess the way I see it is, if you want to do breaking for fun as a trick, cool, fire away.

    I just dont think it has anything to do with your striking ability.
    I agree.

    It can show your agility, your timing, your speed, and your focus.

    A good heavy bag and sparring partner can do the same thing. Hey, not to dip into muddy waters but, I always thought that was a partial function of forms. To showcase the above nothing really to do with fighting IMO.

    Fun? Yes.

    Necessary to fight? No.
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    6/24/2007 2:26pm


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    I know there's another thread dedicated to this topic somewhere else, but did anybody see the show Fight Science on, IIRC, the National Geographic Channel?

    They had a section with a couple of world champion breakers that made me want to kill myself.
  8. haykuro is offline

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    Posted On:
    6/24/2007 6:36pm

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    yes i've seen the fight science thing.. really informative, the master of balance thing was cool.

    and yea the breakers were extremely retarted, i think they may have lost some brain cells or something.

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