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    6/23/2007 3:51am

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    Arm drag from clinch

    Lately when I get cornered while sparring, I'll trap my partner's (right) arm and arm drag it past me as I move away in the other direction. Now that I think about it, I never really see this is pure standup striking. Is there a reason for this? Does anyone else do this?
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    6/23/2007 12:24pm

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    It is illegal in a lot of pure standup and/or you have boxing gloves on.
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    Hmmm. I manage to do it alright with gloves on, probably because I was always taught to do it with a minimum of grabbing anyay.
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    6/23/2007 9:54pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by CodosDePiedra
    You laugh now, but I've seen a blue belt tap a guy like that for shits and giggles.

    I'm interested though, when you have boxing gloves on, how exactly are you feeding your opponent's arm across without actually grabbing his wrist and moving it across your body?
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    6/23/2007 10:17pm

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    It would probably be best explained with a video, but here it goes:
    I'll catch the arm during a wide hook by shielding my head with one hand and hooking around the tricep with my other hand. To pass the wrist across the body, the other hand hooks over the top of the wrist, and both pull the arm close to my body while I tuck my head into their shoulder. I believe this is called a two on one position, but I'm not a wrestler. Anyway, I manage to pass the arm without grabbing by hooking the arm with my gloved hands and trapping it against my body, then using a slipping type motion to pull the arm through as I pivot around.
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    6/23/2007 10:30pm

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    The reason you don't see THAT move you just described is because the people you see fighting on TV don't suck.

    The person you are doing this to needs to be:
    A) Beating the hell out of you with the other hand. (your head is wide open)
    B) Pulling their freaking hand back,
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    6/24/2007 4:29am

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark
    The reason you don't see THAT move you just described is because the people you see fighting on TV don't suck.

    The person you are doing this to needs to be:
    A) Beating the hell out of you with the other hand. (your head is wide open)
    B) Pulling their freaking hand back,
    A. Your head is positioned next to or touching theirs

    I guess it looks vaguely like this, but with the head closer. Yeah, you can still punch the head, but they're not real solid and the opportunity doesn't last long.
    B. By trapping it to the body it makes it hard to pull back. If they do, stick to the arm and push them back while you step back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracky McSlugHoot
    CodosDePiedra, that is a highly effective, underutilized move.
    The drag or boston crab?
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    6/24/2007 6:46am

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    Ok That's not the arm drag that we talk about at my gym. The arm that is being dragged goes across the body and would be nearly impossible to do with boxing gloves on. If you can trap it under the same side arm like that I can see it working. I'd still rather hit them if I can gain that much control over my opponent.
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    Posted On:
    6/27/2007 12:12pm


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    I have seen the over under a lot in Thai fights, also called the Half clinch. If you watch the Silva vs. Franklin fight it happens there too (for an MMA reference) Silva deals with it the same way the do in Thai land, with a slapping knee to the body.

    I agree with another poster, you donít see this much, because the people on TV donít suck. I was taught to throw the Hook as a tight attack, not a looping punch, I teach my students the same method.
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