Tracy's Kenpo Vs. American Kenpo

**Nathan McScary** · Posted On: 6/22/2007 11:45pm

Alright, can someone here tell me exactly how these two sub-styles of kenpo differ? I'm looking for specific examples.

***Omega Supreme*** · Posted On: 6/23/2007 12:57am

Actually Steve Spry lost a lot of weight after his bout with cancer.

Do you guys really want to know the difference?

Basically, and this is my best recollection from James Ibrao's stories, the Tracey's came along and trained only a ceartain level with Parker until they chose to go directly to Master (I can't remember his name). From that point (which was explained to me as a 2nd degree blackbelt) the Tracey system differs. They take a much more Chinese approach in their eddicate (spell check). They would also like to bring a bit more realistic truth to where kenpo actually came from if you want to believe that. Something to the degree of Kenpo tracing (no pun intended) coming from a Hung-gar lineage.

I personally was in the middle of that conflict as all my kenpo friends sold out, started wars and pointed fingers. James Ibrao spent a few years filling me with stories I could really care less about but out of respect listened to and actually quite enjoyed but soon forgot as my brain cells died.

***Omega Supreme*** · Posted On: 6/23/2007 10:10am

PM Clyde he'll give you an opinion.

**kenpostudent** · Posted On: 7/03/2007 12:51pm

Originally Posted by Nathan McScary

Alright, can someone here tell me exactly how these two sub-styles of kenpo differ? I'm looking for specific examples.

Do a search on youtube for kenpo forms and tracy kenpo forms. Compare long form 4 in Tracy kenpo to long form 4 in EPAK. The differences are subtle but apparent. The stances are slightly different. The differences really have to be illustrated. Tracy kenpo has like 700 techniques (with all of the variations) or something like that. EPAK has 156 base techniques plus extensions. Many of the EPAK techniques have Tracy Kenpo counterparts with different names. However, most of the techniques have slight differences in style. The angles of blocks can be different. The timing of a technique might be different. The targets that are struck might be slightly different. While the differences are subtle, they can be quite meaningful.

Tracy kenpo has some very old kung fu forms that it teaches at brown and black belt level that were eliminated in EPAK.

**kenpostudent** · Posted On: 7/03/2007 1:42pm

Parker eliminated them from EPAK...he stopped teaching them, whatever.

**702epak** · Posted On: 7/13/2007 5:08am

There are a couple of forms, as well as several techniques
that are not taught in Ed Parker American Kenpo any longer
because they have been shown to violate certain concepts
and principles that make the system what it is.

For example - Book Set (not a true 'set' by kenpo definition)
it was pulled from a kung fu book and put in the curriculum
before I was born. As for techniques - The Dancer, for a
rear 2 hand choke. The list goes on and on.

Hope it helps,,,

**BackFistMonkey** · Posted On: 7/13/2007 5:14am

I have to say when I opened this thread I was VERY disappointed not to see any high flying mullet having asskicking video .

Anyone else ?

**eyebeams** · Posted On: 7/13/2007 11:12pm

Originally Posted by Whorian Gracie

Eliminated or never present?

IIRC, they were modified Hung Gar forms Parker stapled to the system in order to have forms like a "real" martial art. Originally, there weren't any forms at all, but prearranged self-defense techniques.

**SHaolin-Kenpo** · Posted On: 7/14/2007 7:00pm

hmm tuff but large diffrences ive studdyed both for quite a few years shaolin kenpo and american differ quite a bit, i mean we share somethings like a few combos like 5 swords
,sword of destruthion, but shoalin as in the name has the 5 animals american kenpo has a few forms short long ext ext , bacically kenpo was tested by thugs made up by thugs but thats what makes it so affective. if you think about it shoalin would win hands down , its not only my fav but we have the beter parts of american kenpo plus some crazy shoalin animal **** 2 so best of american and asian GG

***Omega Supreme*** · Posted On: 7/14/2007 7:05pm

Originally Posted by SHaolin-Kenpo

hmm tuff but large diffrences ive studdyed both for quite a few years shaolin kenpo and american differ quite a bit, i mean we share somethings like a few combos like 5 swords
,sword of destruthion, but shoalin as in the name has the 5 animals american kenpo has a few forms short long ext ext , bacically kenpo was tested by thugs made up by thugs but thats what makes it so affective. if you think about it shoalin would win hands down , its not only my fav but we have the beter parts of american kenpo plus some crazy shoalin animal **** 2 so best of american and asian GG

Still talking dumbshit huh? First learn to type correctly. Second go **** yourself.