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    Quote Originally Posted by oldman34
    Irony......wow.
    yes,because if you post that after the third post the rest is absolete then you're not making a good point and then oldman34 reacts to it and then i reply and that would make it really stu...

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    i never understood the hate on kata
    do we hate on shadowboxing? silly looking drills in bjj?

    its just a stylised form of drilling, the problem is that some people think only doing kata makes you better at fighting

    not all kata are created equal either
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=A7hDH_KHf9o

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    Quote Originally Posted by roly
    i never understood the hate on kata
    do we hate on shadowboxing? silly looking drills in bjj?

    its just a stylised form of drilling, the problem is that some people think only doing kata makes you better at fighting

    not all kata are created equal either
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=A7hDH_KHf9o
    Post a video of what you consider "good" solo kata so we can laugh at your expense
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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    Quote Originally Posted by roly
    i never understood the hate on kata
    do we hate on shadowboxing? silly looking drills in bjj?

    its just a stylised form of drilling, the problem is that some people think only doing kata makes you better at fighting

    not all kata are created equal either
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=A7hDH_KHf9o
    Ugh great, verbal fu on two different fronts.

    First off, did you even read chiblast's blog? The answer is in there.

    Shadowboxing is different than kata. It's not prearranged. You use footwork and techniques that you will actually use in a fight/sparring. When are you ever, EVER going to use this:



    You're probably going to respond with something like "well katas also train other things like focus, breathing, core strengthening, etc". The reality is that for anything you can train through kata aside from fighting techniques, you can find a much BETTER exercise for in conditioning, pad work, sparring, and anything else that's live and resisting. Even if it gives you various benefits at once, the fact that you are programming useless techniques into yourself makes practice of the typical martial arts form totally not worth it.

    Also, define "silly looking drills in bjj".

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    Judo No Kata actually involves doing techniques that are used in competition and fights. That's a different form of Kata then the ones people are hating on in the forum.
    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire.

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    You know where I've seen a HUGE kata/pattern is?

    Bullshido.

    The same **** gets metioned over and over and over again.

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    I'm not sure that a comparison between shadowboxing and kata is comparing apples to apples. First of all, kata simulates fighting multiple attackers. Its value lies in defending at different angles. In a ring, you can pretty much always assume that an attack will come from 12 o'clock or an angle close to 12 (unless the opponent takes your back in MMA). Kata trains one to anticipate attacks from the flank, the rear, rear 45's, ect. This very fact makes kata useless for training to fight in a ring. I don't know of any sporting event (WWE excluded, and not really a sport) where one man can fight multiple opponents. Kata is useful to train responding to attacks on angles for street self defense because it is reactive in nature. However, I would agree that most katas are pretty worthless. Kata is only as good as it is designed. The concept is not bad, but many katas are. How else could you train to anticipate attacks from off angles by oneself? You would need to spar with multiple opponents so get a similar effect.

    Kata is also good for training the memory. It's good for muscle memory, too. It also an efficient way to train foot maneuvers and switching between stances at off angles.
    Last edited by kenpostudent; 6/19/2007 8:25pm at .

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    I too do not approve of kata and patterns

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    It doesn't surprise me that kickboxers and grapplers don't see any value in forms. For your arts, they really don't have any value. You can't practice kickboxing or jiu-jitsu in the context of forms. The training is different because the arts are different. Training for the ring or for a sports-based art is different. If I wanted to train for the ring, I would abandon kenpo training methods and spend more time training like a boxer or kickboxer.

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    you didnt explain how its different and you didnt address the issue of "there are better things you can do"

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