Dont buy the Core Combat training DVDs from Damian Ross or Carl Cestari
I tran in Defendo the really mean **** and I am always looking for something new or something to add to my training, I ordered(and as well sent back) The core Dvds and what a dissapointment there advanced techniques where basic then the 15 seconds on the BoB drill was pathetick. Try 2 or 3 min like where I train. Very dissapointed do not get the DvDs they suck!!!! Those are the Carl Cestari and Damian Ross Dvds
Last edited by zadar95; 6/19/2007 4:13pm at .
So are you calling Bullshido on them (if so, please give specifics) or just didn't read the forum description before posting?
I apologise for the Grammar first off!! Yes I am calling Bullshido on them. I have several tapes as well as books on Reality based martial arts, I am always looking for something that could enhance my training. Carl Cestari who apparently was voted in Blackbelt magazine as 6th or 7th most dangerous man and who is the head trainer along with his top student Damian Ross have there ads in Black Belt , 3 dvds for a hundred bucks(with a money back gaurantee). Damian Ross proclaims himself as the most respected Reality based instructor in the world. I thought there might of been some usefullness in these Dvds. I unfortunately was dissapointed. The primary techniques taught were striking the Shuto and the Chin jab eye gouges etc.. which in by themselves are good techniques but thats it. It has them beating up on a BOB doing 15 second drills all out(we do 2 to 3 minites straight) nothing dealing with if some one jumps you from behind, multiple attackers, knife attacks. It seems to me everything in these DvDs is geared towards if someone aproaches you from the front and as soon as he crosses your personal space attack, dont get me wrong I am all for the preemptive strikes but what if someone grabs your throat or attacks you from behind. Basically someone that claims to be so good and what great DvDs these are its a sham!! People like Geoff Thompson, Jim Wagner the Wolfe brothers have so much more to offer
Zadar, brevity is appreciated here.
Do you actually train with someone or just study books and tapes on your own?
I train at Wolfes Defendo in Vancouver BC CANADA under the Wolfe Brother. I instruct there as well.
Im not saying you should buy them from anyone Im just giving my review!! As far as the shirt goes send me 24.99 and i will send you one!!HEHE!!!
Before I get into playing devil's advocate, let me just preface this by saying I have never studied under anyone listed. Now, to commence the devil's advocate angle:
Originally Posted by zadar95
--What exactly about this is bullshido? The only claim I see about claiming some inflated rank and/or title I bolded, but that could easily be construed as his own opinion about himself. If Cestari was voted into a Blackbelt Hall of Fame for whatever, that would be something that could easily be validated.
--From what you post about the DVDs, it sounds more like a bad product marketed really well rather than any kind of fraud (much in the way of a stereotypical McDojo vs. a bullshido school).
RoninPimp likes his CC dvds. I respect his pov more so than some guy that no one knows from Adam.
Besides the fact that I've been under the impression that this Lt X guy is not a qualified representative of Carl Cestari, so don't say that Carls info sucks unless you've seen his stuff.
What does Core Combat mean? Is it an accumulation of the core, or basic, techniques that they teach? Why would you expect to learn anything advanced from these dvds, if this is the case, which I believe that it is?
I've heard nothing but good things about his stuff up until now. Maybe you're just a Wolfe Bros. nuthugger here to push their stuff...
If you want to see some more of what CC has to say, look at http://www.gutterfighting.org/Main.html
Here is a list of Carl's vids, & "Core Combat Training" isn't one of them:
Unarmed Combat (5 DVDs)
Combat Ju-Jitsu (3 DVDs)
The O’Neill System (1 DVD)
The Fairbairn Seminar (1 DVD)
Advanced Fighting Skills
Last edited by Jim_Jude; 6/19/2007 10:38pm at .
As far as me being a (nuthugger) and pushing Wolfes, I havent done anything other than say that I train at Wolfes. If you actually did your research the Dvds Have Carl Cestari doing most of the techniques with his student Damian Ross go to closecombatpros.org or read BlackBelt and see the ads ,Carl Cestari is very clearly in the DvDs. As Far as you explaining what Core training is thanks for enlightning me!!!
My reply to Bearich! I think there should be a responsibility in what you sell to people and how you market that. To pack 3 DvDs with just strikes as your techniques you may as well join a McDojo because as a serious student and instructor I was quite dissapointed with the product as well as the claims of which none were fullfilled.
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