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  1. john joe is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by FUNKtastic
    besdies scottish they must have other european blood because two of my instructors (at the rezno gracie academy in midtown new york) have blue eyes and one has dirty blond hair.
    eh? has everyone in scotland got the same colour eyes and hair?

    there are loads of people with blond, brown, black hair in scotland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john joe
    eh? has everyone in scotland got the same colour eyes and hair?

    there are loads of people with blond, brown, black hair in scotland.
    I meant that seeing as blue eyes are a recessive gene, 5 generations down they probably wouldn't retain it (if george even posessed this characteristic) unless they mixed with others who posessed this gene, allowing the recessive gene to appear in their physionomy. seeing as how it is mostly europeans, as well as some north africans and middle easterners (who are also caucasian by definition) are the ones who pocess the green and blue eye genes, I was implying the gracies would have had to have had other European, I guess Caucasian is a better term, inputs into their gene pool for some members of the family to appear light eyed or blond haired.
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    I was kinda pulling for Ramirez, just to see how he'd react to losing to a none-Irish guy in the "homeland", but alas, it wasn't meant to be.

    The comment itself wasn't racist, but generally when you hear people say stuff like that, it's not uncommon that those same people do in fact harbor feelings of prejudice that pass from "not-racist" into "racist".

    But when heard the line, I figured he was just going for the shock value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sochin101
    We can test the theory: has anyone had a drink bought for them by a Gracie?
    No?
    They're Scottish.

    Oh noes, stereotyping... I'm teh racizt...
    Scottish people won't buy you a drink because you're English.

    Oh Lawdy, moar racism!!!!!1one!!!!eleven!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by john joe
    eh? has everyone in scotland got the same colour eyes and hair?

    there are loads of people with blond, brown, black hair in scotland.
    Everyone in Scotland has ginger hair and pure white skin. Anyone that claims to be Scottish that doesn't just hates the English.


    Quote Originally Posted by FUNKtastic
    I meant that seeing as blue eyes are a recessive gene, 5 generations down they probably wouldn't retain it (if george even posessed this characteristic) unless they mixed with others who posessed this gene, allowing the recessive gene to appear in their physionomy. seeing as how it is mostly europeans, as well as some north africans and middle easterners (who are also caucasian by definition) are the ones who pocess the green and blue eye genes, I was implying the gracies would have had to have had other European, I guess Caucasian is a better term, inputs into their gene pool for some members of the family to appear light eyed or blond haired.
    Lots of Europeans went to Brazil in the 18/19th(?) century. Lots of African slaves were shipped over as well. There were Portuguese settlers before that, and Amerid and Carib natives.
    That's why there are many different colours and flavours of Brasilians*.




    *The people, not the pubic topiary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FUNKtastic
    I meant that seeing as blue eyes are a recessive gene, 5 generations down they probably wouldn't retain it (if george even posessed this characteristic) unless they mixed with others who posessed this gene, allowing the recessive gene to appear in their physionomy. seeing as how it is mostly europeans, as well as some north africans and middle easterners (who are also caucasian by definition) are the ones who pocess the green and blue eye genes, I was implying the gracies would have had to have had other European, I guess Caucasian is a better term, inputs into their gene pool for some members of the family to appear light eyed or blond haired.
    Blue is the most common eye colour in Scotland, I have grey eyes. Scots are a mix of viking, Celt, Norman, Pict, Flemmish, saxon. , baltic slav, croat,Pakistani, Pole, Welsh, English, Dane, Italian, Greek, Gypsy, Irish and any other fucker who has settled here and made a life, I see people of every skin tone most days, less Black African descnt people than in Brum or London but I still see some. It's not a t the end of the earth and it does have airports etc.
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    Scotland is the only place on earth i have ever been offered a deep fried pizza.

    It also has the lowest life expectancy in western europe.


    the gracies were lucky to get out when they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adouglasmhor
    Blue is the most common eye colour in Scotland, I have grey eyes. Scots are a mix of viking, Celt, Norman, Pict, Flemmish, saxon. , baltic slav, croat,Pakistani, Pole, Welsh, English, Dane, Italian, Greek, Gypsy, Irish and any other fucker who has settled here and made a life, I see people of every skin tone most days, less Black African descnt people than in Brum or London but I still see some. It's not a t the end of the earth and it does have airports etc.
    I wasn't implying that there were no blue eyed Scots. In fact I assumed George Gracie had blue eyes but noted that over five generations, a member of the family like Igor Gracie for example probably wouldn't have blue eyes today if the only input of said recessive gene was a Scots man several generations removed, therefore there must have been more Europeans in the family, Scottish or otherwise.

    The point I was trying to illustrate was the European genetics present in the Gracie family vs. Moon's suggestion of racial undertones in Griffin's comments about losing to a Hispanic and his desire to see a Brazilian fight him in response and upstage his honky ass. Moon missed the fact that

    a) Hisapanic is an linguistic/ethnic group and not a race since Hispanics can be black (like many Cubans), white (Argentines, Urugyanans, Spaniards), mestizo, Asian (Venezuela having a significant population), etc.

    b) Brazilians are not Hispanics but Lusophonic and just like Hispanics can be white (about 50% of the country's population, particularly the southern portion centered around Sao Paulo), black (the Nortern part of the country, I believe Bahia is 80% African decent), Asian (note the large Japanese communities in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janiero, mixed, etc.
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    I forgot the Asians in my breakdown of the Brazilian population.
    This must be because they were ninjas, and therefore crept in unseen.
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    And I forgot the Ameridian natives, not so much because of their ability to evade detection, more because I am stupid!
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