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  1. NasalInfection is offline

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    Judo and Knee Braces

    Greetings all, I have recently started Judo at a great school but am having more knee issues than I did with Aikido. I was wondering what the best type/brand of knee braces exist out there that could be worn safely (and legally) in Judo practice and competition.

    Thanks!

    EDIT - Addendum: The reason for a knee brace is a newly diagnosed case of Osteoarthritis relating to a knee operation 10 years ago. If anyone has additional tips on handling that condition I would be very thankful for the advice.
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    You know, there are these people. They go to school for years, then undergo a long period of on-the-job training, all in order to learn how people work, why they break, and how to fix them when they're broken. What are they called again.....

    Oh, right! DOCTORS! You should probably see one of them, they'd be able to answer that question. Far better than The Internet I should imagine.

    EDIT: In all seriousness, you shouldn't **** around with your knees. One of my friends has lingering knee pain from playing soccer when he was younger, decided to go with me to the gym on 'leg day' anyway, and after a set of squats he was in pain for days. After a long time of me nagging him to see someone about it, it turned out he needs to have his knee scoped because bone fragments/spurs (sketchy on the details) had been wearing away at the tendon.
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    I have seen my Orthopedist, he is the one who diagnosed the Osteoarthritis. A big problem is these specialists want to spend as little time with you as possible and recommend the safest course of action. I cannot spend my life swimming and doing the damn stationary bikes, I just stop working out at that point.

    I post here asking for opinions of those who have suffer similar conditions and can reccommend additional aid beyond what the doctor suggests. Most importantly the knee supports that would be allowed in Judo considering the throws and ground game.

    Medical History (because I like to share):
    Right knee scoped for torn lateral meniscus - '97
    Left knee scoped for torn lateral meniscus - '06
    Right knee diagnosed with Osteoarthritis - '07
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    If you can't be bothered doing the rehab, any brace you wear will be, at best, a band aid.
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    Which one's the lateral meniscus? I have a torn meniscus but I don't know if it's the inside or outside one.
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    lateral = outside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NasalInfection
    Greetings all, I have recently started Judo at a great school but am having more knee issues than I did with Aikido. I was wondering what the best type/brand of knee braces exist out there that could be worn safely (and legally) in Judo practice and competition.
    My PT swears up and down that off-the-shelf, retail sleeves/braces are more or less useless. I know it's hard to believe- i remember my high school wrestling coach wearing them religiously- but apparently it's true. The human leg doesn't come in four sizes s,m,l and xl, all having the identical shape. In fact, they told me that buying one and wearing it, which I ran by them when I was considering it, could actually have a negative lojng-term effect by restricting muscle activity.

    They say kinesiotape is often the best way to go. If you have a PT show you how to do it then you can do it on yourself. The tape's a little expensive but it actually does something as opposed to what seems to be a placebo effect or worse of the Walmart knee stuff. I know I've seen guys in PRIDE wear kinesiotape FWIW

    I hear what you're saying about the doc- I think most mainstream doctors/specialists even don't really understand athletes/lifting/martial arts etc. They just say "well don't do it." Physical therapists often do a lot of their training working on the college sports teams. They deal with management of conditions, sports, occupational stuff, etc. so they'll usually be more in tune with your goals and not black and white. I don't want to sound like an infomercial, but seriously consider checking out physical therapy.

    In the meantime, strengthening your leg slowly and consistently would probably be the best protection you could give it.
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    ^^^ Correct.
    Expert taping has been shown to reduce pain with osteoarthritis, though admittedly the research is fairly limited. A neoprene type sleeve is essentially marginally more effective than placebo. A more elaborate brace, probably including carbon fibre medial and lateral supports, will be roughly as effective as a well taped knee (though possibly more convenient for some people). Taping and a good brace will restrict the amount you can bend the knee.

    By far the best evidence is for specific strengthening exercises. Failure to do a specific rehab program means you're just treating the symptoms.
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    Any hard contact martial art will be hard on our knees. It goes with the game. Not just Judo but Kickboxing or Wrestling. You name it. I hear even Tae kwon Do has it's fair share of knee injuries. I would play it safe and take it easy. Start training, but when your knees give you trouble, stop and rest.

    The only thing I would reccommend is BJJ. BJJ maybe hard on the knees but not as hard as Judo. There is less risk of injury.You'll spend most of your time groundfighing. You won't be getting picked up and slammed. You won't be on the balls of your feet twisting trying to throw someone.
    As I understand it, Tae kwon do and Karate put rediculous strain on your knees. Every time I see someone throwing snappy round kicks in the air, I cringe. That can't be good for it.
    Shotokan particularly has a reputation for being bad for your knees, but more due to the unnaturally deep stances in kata than anything else. I know my knees have felt better since I stopped doing Shotokan.
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    Knee Brace

    Hi all,

    I have knee injury that doctor said ACL Tear. It happened years ago when I was doing basket (not martial art). But I understand my injury just recently, when I trained Judo just 3 months ago, and now I'm looking for a good knee brace. Still got in the recovery state. I'm interested in DonJoy xtreme or one of McDavid knee brace product, but I have not bought one yet.

    I don't think I'm going to go to the operation table since it costs so much and I practice martial arts for fun and to be good enough not to be a master or for competition level kind of things:). That concludes me to try to wear a knee brace.

    So any post about your experience wearing the knee brace and what line of product of what manufacture is very useful to people like me for reference. Once I bought one I will post also my experience here so that it can be helpful to others like me.

    This injury kinda frustrated me at first since I have no idea when or how my knee is going to pop again. It looks like that the knee rely on some unconcious mechanism to be aware of space so that it will ask appropriate muscle to contract and prevent the pop of happening again. With severe acl injury this ability is greatly reduced, and once it pops out it'll take about 3 months of rest before we can back to previous normal activity. While we still can do daily activities but it can't handle hard pressure on it.

    Thanks guys.
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