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  1. Judobum is offline
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    6/15/2007 8:54pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophist
    Towards the end it looked similar to a throw I know as "hikage", a tani-otoshi variant. There was a black belt at our club who was very good with it, it was his tokui-waza and he caught some skilled people with it. Is "hikage" a name that rings any bells for anyone? I think it's slightly less high-amplitude.

    Having been hit by hikage a number of times, I can see how this one would work.
    Never heard of hikage, sorry.
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    6/15/2007 8:58pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by MEGALEF
    I occasionally use a similar technique but using this grip.
    Doing it this way I don't have to fish for the cross grip. People always seem to get jumpy whenever I do that. Also, this grip lets you put a ton of weight on your opponents front leg.

    Like Yrkoon9 said, you really have to be carefull about that headbutt. Would make a nice self defense combo though.
    Interesting look to it but I'd think the grip you show would be even harder to get. How do you set it up? The other glaring problem I see with that version is that you don't have any direct control of the opponents leg so if he clears your blocking leg, he's free and has a lot of counters he could do. I'll have to try it next week though.

    I'm assuming that from the grip in the photo you're just blocking with your lead leg and dropping him over. If there's something else to it please let me know so I can try it and let you know how it goes.
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    You're actually right. Lack of control of the lead leg is my main problem. I'm working on changing it so the my right hand grabs the opponents right leg but the non leg grabbing version is how I first learned it. My instructor says you can go for kata guruma and ura nage from that grip but I haven't tried that properly in randori.

    Here's how I get the grip:
    • My left hand catches opponents right sleeve near the wrist
    • Start circling left to avoid him getting my collar
    • Double up on his right sleeve
    • My left elbow goes over the top and I pull his right arm towards my belly and down. This also encourages him to move his right leg forward if it wasn't already
    • Lower my level and get my left elbow inside his armpit like in the picture. This move is a bit like when going for a standing waki gatame but I move his wrist lower near my groin


    Note: I'm a green belt. I've only competed in Judo twice. The number of times I have used this successfully for waza ari is two.
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    6/16/2007 4:50pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by MEGALEF
    You're actually right. Lack of control of the lead leg is my main problem. I'm working on changing it so the my right hand grabs the opponents right leg but the non leg grabbing version is how I first learned it. My instructor says you can go for kata guruma and ura nage from that grip but I haven't tried that properly in randori.

    Here's how I get the grip:
    • My left hand catches opponents right sleeve near the wrist
    • Start circling left to avoid him getting my collar
    • Double up on his right sleeve
    • My left elbow goes over the top and I pull his right arm towards my belly and down. This also encourages him to move his right leg forward if it wasn't already
    • Lower my level and get my left elbow inside his armpit like in the picture. This move is a bit like when going for a standing waki gatame but I move his wrist lower near my groin

    Note: I'm a green belt. I've only competed in Judo twice. The number of times I have used this successfully for waza ari is two.
    I'll try it out at practice on Monday but I think that version isn't very solid. With the grip you're very limited in what you can attack so your opponent is going to be pretty focussed on that leg you're trying to block. With no solid grip on it a good player is going to step away or over your leg block. That grip is at least as tricky to get as the version I've showed and there may be a greater lag between obtaining the grip and throwing but I'll have to try it to really see.

    On the plus side I can see you absolutely launching guys with your version since you can completely throw your body into it. It's more circular than my version so you'll get more centrfigul (sp?) force. I'm interested to see how it feels in practice and I'll let you know what I think.
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    6/21/2007 12:12pm


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    Cool post. Lot gentler than I'm used to seeing that move lol

    In randori(no-gi), found it works well off the clinch and to reverse a clinch(break the grip of the hand opposite your grabbing arm).

    Hedgehogey's right about omoplata counters, tho
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    6/21/2007 5:10pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Liger
    Cool post. Lot gentler than I'm used to seeing that move lol

    In randori(no-gi), found it works well off the clinch and to reverse a clinch(break the grip of the hand opposite your grabbing arm).

    Hedgehogey's right about omoplata counters, tho
    It's gentle because I'm doing a demo. Full speed you'd have more of a snap to it and you'd drive more with the head. It's still not a particularly traumatic throw because there's not a sudden breaking of the balance, more of a gradual takedown, and your weight isn't being directed onto your opponent but rather beside them.

    This is definately a judo points throw more than an all-round takedown. You don't end up in a great position to continue ne-waza but in a judo comp it doesn't matter too much. If you're using it as a takedown you need to release the arms pretty much as soon as you feel his balance go, then scramble onto him once you hit the ground.
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    Thanks for that Judobum, I'll try it on my poor girlfriend at training on Monday
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    6/26/2007 1:43pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asriel
    Thanks for that Judobum, I'll try it on my poor girlfriend at training on Monday

    Well at least I won't have as long a way to fall with this one.... its a long way down from one of your hip throws lol
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    6/27/2007 10:25pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judobum
    If you're using it as a takedown you need to release the arms pretty much as soon as you feel his balance go, then scramble onto him once you hit the ground.
    since watching the clip ive tried the throw a few times and have found that if u pin their arm to the mat you can switch your hips out to side control after the throw. you sorta do a pushup off their arm and shoulder. if they roll into you you keep going around to N/S and (try to)catch their arm as it comes over and then sit on their head, if they roll away they will leave their arm behind and get armbarred.
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    Posted On:
    7/11/2007 12:27am


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    i was taught a very similar move and it's fairly effective. i generally start it like this

    fishing for a sleeve grip, not too menacing, this is before any grips take place.
    once i get ahold of a sleeve (generally with my left hand, i'm a right handed player), i'll make a quick pass to my right hand along with a strong tug/jerk to get them to step forward with their right leg (i've got a grip on their right sleeve).

    i stand on their right, right hand holding their right sleeve and pass my left elbow over the crook of their elbow and squeeze their elbow in my arm pit. i use a tani otosh like blocking leg while essentially dropping all my weight to my left (their backwards)


    explanation was probably shitty, but whatever, should be able to figure out. it's been pretty solid for me and using it as a two on one with unorthodox grips usualy leaves opponents surprised.
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