Fang Shen Do: Tales From the Inner Circle

[scorpion_wins]

jp gave himself that red/gold sash. When I was in the club he wore a plain black sash and then black with some stripes (gold I think? It was some time ago). Then for a while I think he had a red/black sash, then maybe black gold? I don't remember exactly - it did change several times. For me he was sifu, after I left he became sijo, and now he calls himself sibok.

As far as I understand he is not actually accredited in ANY style except his own. Neither are his kids - he accredited them himself.

I'll say it again: Lineage is important and jp's schools have none.

Last I heard JP was still the sijo. Isnt sibok one of his children?

[used2b]

You're probably right about that. I could never keep track. Maybe he was sifu, then sibok and now he's sijo.

[Chili Pepper]

You're probably right about that. I could never keep track. Maybe he was sifu, then sibok and now he's sijo.

Unfortunately, the Patenaudes have their own ideas about how CMA ranks work. If used traditionally, sifu is the guy who taught you (your "father"). Sibok would be a teacher of the same student generation as your teacher (your "uncle"). Sijo is a founder of an art, usually legendary, and if actually a real person, deceased.

If memory serves, back when he was calling his stuff Modern Wing Chun and claiming to be high ranking in James DeMilles' organization, he claimed he had the rank of "sibok".

[FSDDEFENDER]

Sijo-Jacques Patenaude
Sibok-Martin Patenaude
Sifu-Stéphane Patenaude
Christine Patenaude.
Marc Beauchamp
Serge
Scott
Joël
Alain
... And more I think.

[FSDDEFENDER]

Oh and of course Sifu Patrick marcil

[andrewa]

I posted the info below here on Bullshido back in 2009. I always believed it was bogus since there does not appear to be (or have ever been) an International WCD Association. This snippet was part of several other minor league/high school sports news flashes. eg. "Merivale High took the gold this weekend in volleyball......" I mention this because these sorts of stories were not the sort to be verified by a reporter or anyone else.


I found this in an article from the Ottawa Citizen dated April 27, 1990.

"Two decades of training has paid off for martial artist Jacques Patenaude, who became si-bok last month at a convention of the International Wing Chun Do Association in Seattle.

The title means he is senior to other instructors in the association."

[martiallaw101]

Fang Shen Do ! What can I say...This school is all about money.It costs 2.300$ for a BBC membership as they call it.These special BBC classes are only twice a week at best. You really do not learn anything more in these classes. I had to write this review because I can t take anymore of this school.The Wing Chung in this system is next to nothing...nothing... They have taken out many important Wing Chung basics ,for the sake of saving time and giving more classes.The whole system is based on a fake grand master. I have seen for myself , Jacques Patenaude only completed a three week Wing Chung course then started his own system.He is a fake. Everything they do is to get more money...Before going to this school please google them ... You will see and read all of their sordid history. I could sit here and write for hours on why they are no good. Its 2013 ,look them up ,and you will see the info for yourself. I just had to put out a warning sign,so that you would not get ripped off like me. I will be making other posts with more detail,but for now just be warned.

[battlefields]

Fang Shen Do ! What can I say...This school is all about money.It costs 2.300$ for a BBC membership as they call it.These special BBC classes are only twice a week at best. You really do not learn anything more in these classes. I had to write this review because I can t take anymore of this school.The Wing Chung in this system is next to nothing...nothing... They have taken out many important Wing Chung basics ,for the sake of saving time and giving more classes.The whole system is based on a fake grand master. I have seen for myself , Jacques Patenaude only completed a three week Wing Chung course then started his own system.He is a fake. Everything they do is to get more money...Before going to this school please google them ... You will see and read all of their sordid history. I could sit here and write for hours on why they are no good. Its 2013 ,look them up ,and you will see the info for yourself. I just had to put out a warning sign,so that you would not get ripped off like me. I will be making other posts with more detail,but for now just be warned.

People have been warned. This whole thread is a warning. We don't need to "look them up", it's all right here. Did you just read the first three words in the title and decide to post? Because that is exactly what it looks like you have done. Some advice, read this whole thread. That's a start.

Some more advice, find a decent martial art.

[old1o1]

With all due respect to the "Pros" from fsd, participating in Hybrid Combat promotions makes them champion of nothing.

Hybrid Combat is an idea by Daniel Guillemette of Arts Martiaux Evolution in Gatineau, and Yohann Dagenais. Nowhere do they tout this event as "Professional".

"The company provides young athletes in the Outaouais region and surrounding area the opportunity to gain experience in MMA before starting their professional career all while being in a safe environment."

~Quote taken from Arts Maritiaux Evolution web site

There rule set is much different that typical Professional bouts.

If they have made a change to the status of their tournaments, I am unaware of it. I do know they are up to their 16th event, and that recent promotional posters have pictures with fighters and belts, yet there is no mention of the matches being professional.

Old1o1
Thinking About Coming Out of Forum Retirement

[FSDDEFENDER]

I think I have to say sorry to many of you. I think maybe you are right too...

I feel pretty dumb as for defending something without really knowing the whole story.